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Louisiana Not Addressing Critical Insurance Issues


Written by: Jim Brown


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In the short list for vice president, two names that regularly appear are Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Florida Governor Charlie Crist.  And as part of the discussion, there are naturally comparisons as to the economic progress being made in both states.  One area where Florida leaves Louisiana in the dust is in insurance reform.

 

Crist has been in office a little over a year, and from the get go made insurance issues his front burner concern.  When he took office in January of 2007, Crist called off his inaugural ball saying his full focus needed to be directed towards insurance reform.  He called the Florida legislature into a three-day retreat with insurance restructuring being the only thing on the agenda.

 

In fairness to Jindal, he has only been in office four months but has yet to designate one official on his staff to be the point person for much-needed change in the Louisiana insurance laws.  Meanwhile, the Florida Legislature has been dealing with high profile insurance issues as top priorities in its present legislative session.  In the Louisiana legislature, insurance issues are rarely mentioned.  The comparisons are striking.

 

In the health-insurance area, Florida just this week completely revamped payment procedures from health insurers to doctors, making major strides in cutting down on red tape and putting the focus on doctors practicing  medicine rather than being bogged down in reams of paperwork.

 

In addition, Governor Crist has taken a completely different approach on mandates as compared to Louisiana.  He has legislation that will offer stripped-down health-care benefits where purchasers can choose their mandates.  By not making so many procedures and coverage types mandatory, Florida can now offer a basic health policy for only $150 a month.  It's the choice of the patient.  And it offers a basic health policy to thousands of citizens who are uninsured in Florida.  Nothing like that has even been considered in Louisiana

 

The words "homeowners insurance" has nary been given a mention during the current Louisiana legislative session. Affordable insurance to cover one's property has been the single biggest detriment for rebuilding in south Louisiana.  And yet there has not been one creative idea put on the table by legislators.  In Florida, finding ways to reduce the cost of basic home insurance has been the front burner issue for months.

 

Just last week, the Florida Senate approved sweeping property insurance changes that have been touted in the Florida press as a "homeowner’s Bill of Rights."  The changes in Florida are directly opposite from the direction being taken in Louisiana.  Florida legislation holds insurance companies too a much higher degree of accountability when it comes to antitrust laws and violating a litany of other state laws. Insurers are now required to get state approval before raising property insurance rates, and are prohibited from using arbitration panels when there is a disagreement with property owners.  Rates charged to those who purchased Florida Citizens Property insurance have been frozen, and can never be higher than competing company rates.  All these changes fly in the face of the insurance company favoritism that dominates both the Louisiana insurance department and the Louisiana legislature.

 

Florida has also put in place a series of strong consumer laws with an insurance advocate uncontrolled by the insurance department. In Louisiana last year, efforts to create a separate insurance consumer advocate, independent of the insurance department, met a chilly reception by legislators, who allowed (perhaps tongue in cheek?) for such an office to be created in the insurance department itself.  The fox guarding the hen house?

 

The comparisons between the Florida Citizens Insurance Corporation and a similar company set up by Louisiana are striking.  Florida initially set up its company by doing what any normal business would do.  Capital and surplus were put in place of over $700 million, and reinsurance in the private European market was obtained to protect the Citizens plan in case there were major losses.  And there were adequate professionals hired to run the company on a daily basis.

 

Louisiana did none of the above.  From the day the Louisiana company was created by the insurance department and the legislature, Louisiana Citizens Property Insurance Corp. was a disaster waiting to happen.  We have read about the incompetent management and the rip-offs of millions of dollars in illegal spending.  Even today, this company has yet to file financial statements or balance their checkbooks.  Not one dollar was allocated to the new start up company created by the legislature.  Is there any business that can start from scratch without having any money in the bank?

 

And if the failure to not adequately build in safeguards by Louisiana Citizens and the Louisiana Insurance Department officials who were running the company was not bad enough, the decision not to buy adequate reinsurance has turned out to be the biggest single financial disaster in Louisiana’s history.  Louisiana taxpayers will spend the next 20 years paying off the bonds that were sold to cover the losses, now well over $1 billion.

 

We have not even begun to discuss automobile insurance, where just last week Louisiana was listed as having the third highest rates in the country by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.  One could make an argument that for the financial well-being of the state, insurance restructuring and reform should be the major issue in this current legislative session.  The fact that insurance issues are almost nonexistent is a reflection of how far the state has to go in creating a more affordable climate for its citizens.

 

Louisiana and Florida are two troubled states when it comes to affordable insurance, and each are taking a dramatically different direction.  Right now, it looks like Louisiana, made the wrong turn in the fork of the road.

 

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You are the person who has to decide. Whether you'll do it or toss it aside; you are the person who makes up your mind. Whether you'll lead or will linger behind. Whether you'll try for the goal that's afar. Or just be contented to stay where you are.

 

                                    Edgar A. Guest

                                       

Peace and Justice.

 

Jim Brown

 

 

Jim Brown’s weekly column appears in a number of newspapers throughout the State of Louisiana.  You can read Jim’s Blog, and take his weekly poll, plus read his columns going back to the fall of 2002 by going to his own website at http://www.jimbrownla.com.

 

Jim’s radio program on WRNO (995 fm) from New Orleans starts up again this week, with a Sunday show from 11:00 am till 1:00pm. Other changes will be announced in the weeks to come.





 












 

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And so folks, Euros, Yen, Yuan, Pesos, Reserve Notes, 'Lever' notes, stocks, bonds, insurance premiums, default swaps, on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, boy that just rolls off the fingertips,...... but any hooos, ,,,, 'Lever' notes, GS ratings, fungability, value, worth, (yes the two are quite different mechanisms if you consider the implications in the force) speaking of force, 'Lever' notes.... Unemployment, productivity, viablility. Oh gee, I wanted to start considering transition form opium fields to corn and wheat production in Afghanistan. You know, a pretty simple conversion ratio. but really and anyways, when one looks over the fence one must consider the guard dogs in the way... I mean really, good manners aren't that hard to come by, but still, there is the old guard to contend with... I sort of wonder during my muses what is more amusing, death by starvation or starvation due to castration..... I mean really, all the things that are eclipsed by the sun... I would wonder if it is merely a an instance for a momentary lack of reasoning, and really, after all, what is reasonable? Doubt, suspicion? ambition? ambivalence? how about ambiance? I really don't know, but I do have my hunch.... To be or not to be.... that tis the perennial question....
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And so folks, Euros, Yen, Yuan, Pesos, Reserve Notes, 'Lever' notes, stocks, bonds, insurance premiums, default swaps, on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, boy that just rolls off the fingertips,...... but any hooos, ,,,, 'Lever' notes, GS ratings, fungability, value, worth, (yes the two are quite different mechanisms if you consider the implications in the force) speaking of force, 'Lever' notes.... Unemployment, productivity, viablility. Oh gee, I wanted to start considering transition form opium fields to corn and wheat production in Afghanistan. You know, a pretty simple conversion ratio. but really and anyways, when one looks over the fence one must consider the guard dogs in the way... I mean really, good manners aren't that hard to come by, but still, there is the old guard to contend with... I sort of wonder during my muses what is more amusing, death by starvation or starvation due to castration..... I mean really, all the things that are eclipsed by the sun... I would wonder if it is merely a an instance for a momentary lack of reasoning, and really, after all, what is reasonable? Doubt, suspicion? ambition? ambivalence? how about ambiance? I really don't know, but I do have my hunch.... To be or not to be.... that tis the perennial question....
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EU urges US to join in action against speculators - - - - European Union, Germany's Merkel urge US to join action against some credit default swap - - - By; Aoife White - AP Business Writer - March 9, 2010, 2:08 pm EST - - - - BRUSSELS (AP) -- European officials urged the U.S. to join in a crackdown on speculators who bet against Europe's currency union, warning they might ban some credit default swaps -- opaque financial instruments blamed for worsening the world financial crisis.................
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You are young and life is long, and there is time to kill today…. And then one day you find - - ten years have got behind you….. No one told you when to run,,,,,, you missed the starting gun. ……….. So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking - - - Racing around to come up behind you again……. The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older, - - Shorter of breath and one day closer to death. ……..Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time. - - Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines - - -……….. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - - - The time is gone, the song is over, Thought I'd something more to say. …………… + Breathe (reprise) 7:06 - - - Home,- - home again…………….. I like to be here when I can……. When I come home cold and tired ,,,,,,,, It's good to warm my bones beside the fire. ……. Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell - - Calls the faithful to their knees - - To hear the softly spoken magic spells. - - - - - Money (Waters) 6:32 - - - Money,,,,, get away………… Get a good job with good pay and you're okay…… Money,,, it's a gas. - - Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash….. New car, caviar, four star daydream, Think I'll buy me a football team………….. Money,,,,, get back…… I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack…….. Money,,,,, it's a hit…..Don't give me that do goody - good bullsh^t…… I'm in the high-fidelity - first class traveling set - And I think I need a Lear jet…… Money,,,,,,,, it's a crime…… Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie………. Money,,,,, so they say - - Is the root of all evil today…;; But if you ask for a raise it's no surprise that they're giving none away…… "HuHuh! I was in the right!" - - "Yes, absolutely in the right!" - - "I certainly was in the right!" - - "You was definitely in the right. That geezer was cruising for abruising!" - - "Yeah!" - - - "Why does anyone do anything?" - - - "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time!" - - "I was just telling him, he couldn't get into number 2. He was asking why he wasn't coming up on freely, after I was yelling and screaming and telling him why he wasn't coming up on freely - - - It came as a heavy blow, but we sorted the matter out"……………. Us and Them (Waters, Wright) 7:40 - - - Us,- - - - and them - - - - And after all we're only ordinary men. ……….. Me, - - - and you. ……. God only knows it's noz what we would choose - - - to do. …. Forward he cried - from the rear - and the front rank died……… And the general sat and the lines on the map - - moved from side to side………… Black - - - and blue - - - And who knows which is which - and who is who. . . . . Up - - - - and down……………. But in the end it's only round and round………… Haven't you heard - - it's a battle of words - - The poster bearer cried………… Listen son, - said the man with the gun - There's room for you inside. ……… "I mean, they're not gunna kill ya, so if you give 'em a quick short, sharp, shock, they won't do it again. Dig it? I mean he get off lightly, 'cos I would've given him a thrashing - I only hit him once! It was only a difference of opinion, but really...I mean good manners don't cost nothing do they, eh?" - - - - Down - - - and out - - - It can't be helped - - but there's a lot of it about. ……………. With, - - without……….. And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about? - - - -Out of the way, - - it's a busy day - - I've got things on my mind. . . . . For the want of the price of tea - - and a slice - - - The old man died. - - - Brain Damage - - (Waters) 3:50 - - - - The lunatic is on the grass….. The lunatic is on the grass….. Remembering games - and daisy chains and laughs. …… Got to keep the loonies on the path……. The lunatic is in the hall…….The lunatics are in my hall…… The paper holds their folded faces to the floor - - - And every day the paper boy brings more. …….. And if the dam breaks open many years too soon…… And if there is no room upon the hill……….. And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too - - - I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. . . . . The lunatic is in my head. ……The lunatic is in my head ……. You raise the blade, - you make the change …. You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane….. You lock the door - And throw away the key - - There's someone in my head but it's not me. ……. And if the cloud bursts, - thunder in your ear - - - -- - You shout and no one seems to hear. .. .. . And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes . . . .. …… I'll see you on the dark side of the moon……………………
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Nothing but good news at AIG, present, past and future. You have the entire picture of the insurance industry right there in your understanding of this one company. ALL of the insurance industry returns 1000's of percent to their stockholders. Your are right. How could I be so blind .. how could I be so wrong .... I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING! The insurance companies are gouging the citizens of our nation! (dose bastids!) Thankfully Barak Obama and the Democratic Party is riding to the rescue and .. well by golly they'll show those darn evil companies they bailed out .. (huh? - oh ... forget dat) they'll fix things and make everything fair .. for everybody. God speed Barak Obama. He can really sell things (that's important you know, ask any successful inventor).
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- - - - - “““If I really thought that insurance companies were making obscene profits, I would buy their stock. Putting one's money where one's mouth is (is dat "simulatio"?) is the real test.”””” - - - - - Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, chief, DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE OR SOMETHING??? American International Group (AIG)……. Last Close - $28.08… 52 – Week Range - $6.60 – 55.90 (Uhhh, there are 52 weeks in a year, uhhhhh, that amounts to an 846 % increase there, so tell me stud, how is you Roth 401K, or your ‘rollover certificates of deposit doing in as far as a yearly performance yield there stud?) Oh, but it gets even better……. Were you in on it during your thoughts and contemplations consider the 5 year range…….. $6.60 – 1,459.40…. OR – A 2,221+ % INCREASE, OR LEVERAGE THERE. Hell, let’s just look at the 1 month range - - - $21.54 - $29.30…. Uhhhhh, that’s an almost 14 % increase right there IN ONE MONTH!!!!! What you getting in your ‘free checking’ account if you ‘maintain’ a daily balance of + $2,000.00 ??? 3.42% 'APR'????? Yeah, perhaps you do perform “simulation” on yourself, I dunno………. Oh wait, I forgot, instead of investing in the market, you simply give your tax dollars to the government to bail it out for you and then biotch about the taxes AND YOUR ROTH 401k WITH PENALTIES INVOLVED FOR EARLY WITHDRAWL (penalties, early with drawl, heh-heh, think I have heard of dudes suffering from that before)….. Real good stragtitty der Doc! Heh-heh!! What an ultra maroon!!!!! YEAH, THERE’S NO MONEY IN INSURANCE STOCK, THEY AREN’T MAKING A DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME……………………..
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If I really thought that insurance companies were making obscene profits, I would buy their stock. Putting one's money where one's mouth is (is dat "simulatio"?) is the real test. We had a group of lawyers pool their money together and form a company who bought a lease in the GULF OF Mexico, drilled a well, and then screwed up the well (sanded it up) and lost 99% of the money they invested (a few hundred million). Want to invest in an oil well? Not me buddy, thanks but no thanks. So if the insurance companies are making obscene profits, don't fight them - join them. Invest ALL your money in insurance stocks - become a tycoon yourself. However .. another possibility is that the insurance business isn't all that profitable; health insurance companies typically make 6 to 8% profit per year. That is not much more than many funds can make, let alone stocks. I'm not planning on investing my money in insurance company stocks - so I won't be a hypocrite and claim they are making "excessive profits" (WTF is that anyway???? As though "losing money" is somehow a "noble thing" - instead of a badge of incompetence).
Written by kpf, beautiful day, Fat Boy gonna ride his bicycle on 3/6/2010
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Almost forgot though Kp, and pretty slick of you, What you wrote about is a prime example for the utlization of your latin word 'simulatio'......
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- - - - - - whereas damage from a hurricane is like 30 or so B-52s carpet bombing an area.- - - - - - ?????? B-52’s? What, you got something against 60 B-29’s carpet bombing an area? Seriously chief, hurricanes don’t leave bomb craters like an HE dropped from a plane. Now if it were atmospheric bursts from a bomb dropped by a B-52 I would concur I suppose…. But then again, I still ask “wut’s ur point” …… whether I am being argumentive or not…. You ask; “Is it a cost caused by insurance companies having to pay out MORE than the premiums paid by the insured covered in the last decade or so, or is it just a plan to "screw the little guy?" Well, you answered your own question… Now if you are talking about the homes in a 100 block area that got wiped out, that were built for 20K, and 3 decades later were valued @ 120K, well, I suppose the insurance ‘Premium Boy’ did have a rough time tallying up all the assesments and keeping pace with the inflation when he sent his fief out for the count… So, at best depending on damages perhaps he could do a break even on the 100 block plat. Perhaps he even ‘lost’ if all the premiums paid over the past 3 decades were ‘tallied’ up…. But then again, didn’t pay out any losses for 30 years, the insurance company had 30 years of free money to invest, sooooooo…. Did they roll those premiums over into municple bonds, T-bills, commodities, options, stocks, or did they do angel investments at 80% with a percentage of the loot they harvested for a 3 decade time period? Facts are, they probably doubled, if not tripled the combined total of the loot in incremental fractons if not, when broken down into 3 year roll overs, and playing with the math, even realized 5 to 10 times an increase in dollar yields…. Now value, that’s something else. And here is the risk spreading assessment….. We are talking 100 blocks, or whatever, now take 100 blocks 60 miles away, 100 miles away, 200 miles away, 300 miles away, 400 miles away, international investing, interstate investing, mergers, acquisitions, and all of a sudden you see they are leveraged 1,000,000% at least. So the little break even is just a burp in a district. A hiccup… Big deal, I mean hell, they do have to shell out some money somewhere in order for so that they don’t come off as a blatant thieving entity now don’t they? You see, they simply get pissed off when they have to pay because if they could get away with it, they wouldn't give anything back at all.... You know what's going on Dave.....
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I work on an oil production platform - for a company who made me take a drug test which I failed (weed) - so .. I'm not a member of the "oil club elite" (I'm just a worker bee who is "clueless about technical details" ;-)) <--- "double chin?" - time to diet perhaps? Nor am I affiliated with the insurance industry in any way (other than ... I "have" insurance). No, I'm not "taking sides" for or against you .. I seek to understand things .. that's all (well .. okay ... I do "blither" on a bit at times). I DO believe that insurance companies "took a beating" during the last decade - keep in mind that insurance companies (like government) do not have a single thin dime that they don't first take from the public. Unlike government, insurance companies cannot run "red ink" (ooohhh ... don't get me started on THAT subject). So when they payout a lot, their rates will have to go up. (Dat ol' math, government can ignore it, private companies cannot).
Written by kpf on 3/6/2010
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Who are you trying to kid? if the insurance industry wasn't making money here they'd leave, they sure aren't going to continue in a place where they always lose obviously by your comments you work for the industry
Written by Dave on 3/5/2010
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So what is the problem Dave? Is government in cahoots with insurance in Florida? Is government not paying attention close enough? Is there no competition where one can shop around? Is it a cost caused by insurance companies having to pay out MORE than the premiums paid by the insured covered in the last decade or so, or is it just a plan to "screw the little guy?" Actually it COULD be any of those things; but I suspect damage caused by hurricanes is the culprit here, not "gouging." I could be wrong about that, I am not wrong about the payout for an insurance company following a hurricane costing more than the damage from a tornado. Tornado damage is akin to scattered flights of F-4s dropping their few dozen bombs "here and there" - whereas damage from a hurricane is like 30 or so B-52s carpet bombing an area. I certainly have no trouble discerning the difference between the two (I think he just likes to be argumentative actually).
Written by kpf on 3/5/2010
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- - - ““““I don't think tornadoes destroy - as hurricanes do at one stroke - thousands upon thousands of homes. - - - - - - ‘’’’’’’’ ???? January to December 2008 - - - Tornados in U.S.A. – 1,691 – Fatalities (USA) 125 – (World wide) - 135 No, they just jump around in ‘cells’ and destroy thousands upon thousands of homes during a season…. So wuts yer point there? You may call a spade a shovel, I merely call destruction what it is….. Waste and destruction……. Flood insurance much cheaper in the desert? I guess you don’t know much about the desert. What do you think carved the grand canyon in the first place nespah, a hurricane? And if I follow your line of thinking for cost comparisons, then why is it there are $1.00 items on the Mickey D’s menu in New York City, and there are $1.00 items on the Micky D’s menu in Morgan City, Louisiana? I think you just want to be obstinate and cantankerous… And who’s life savings are being spent to provide flood insurance premiums? From what I understand, there is a national flood insurance policy that costs around 10 bucks a month or something like that./.. Your point??? And Dave, don't know what you are going through, sounds like y'all need to drag your insurance commisioner out his house by his heels and slap your dks between his eyballs for an hour or two...
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KPF one more thing that really helps bring people and business to a stuggling area is it's great you can buy a home identical to mine here just 6 houses away from me for $69.900.00 but according to the state of Florida your going to insure it for $129,000.00 Great selling point Huh? I'd like to see you collect that $129,000.00 if it's wiped out because again even though you will pay for that coverage it's a whole nother ball game trying to collect it. As for tornados true they are not as wide spread as a hurricane but why don't you check the government or insurance industries figures and i would bet you it is also in the billions in losses even though they are not as wide spread they are more frequent, again the point being the industry could use it as the crying tactic here like hurricanes, But they don't and they could, use it as here to gouge, That is the point.
Written by Dave on 3/5/2010
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Again KPF you seem to miss certain points i didn't complain the insurance company doubled my premiums since Ivan and has steadily increased the premium i complained that all of our houses has taken a substantial hit as far as value and the industry valuing our homes to replace at a value which can easily be seen as gouging, I don't know where you live but where i live i can take you to a home identical to mine on the market today for $69,900 and if my home were destroyed i would have no problem what so ever buying that home to replace mine since it is identical and it today is $36,000.00 cheaper than what i paid for mine. There would be no issue with the industries cost as it was even though i didn't like it i accepted it, but when there's no building going on, no houses selling and i can get at least 5 local builders right now in writing to replace my home at a cost of less than $80,000.00 then don't raise my cost and insult people by saying it's home values that dictate this insane replacement cost increase.
Written by Dave on 3/5/2010
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KPF, I can tell you right now my sister who lives in Wisconsin her homeowners premiums did increase by $100.00 and it was stated right on her bill due to the hurricanes in Florida, this was right after Ivan so i believe to some extent it was passed nation wide, Another hidden little fact is on our Florida insurance bill There now since Ivan has been the little extras tacked on mandated by the state which is $20.83 for Citizens Ins. corporation, another fee of $14.77 for Florida hurricane Catastrophe fund, and $1.48 for Florida insurance Guaranty Assoc. Now my question is this why should Citizens be tacked on my already inflated insurance costs, and if it were meant for the entire state to be charged these fees why isn't it placed on our property tax bills so we all pay to live here? Again if the way it stands now i cancell my policy then i don't get charged to contribute to all the extras, but because we try to do the right thing the extra burdens are placed on those who buy and not to those who don't.
Written by Dave on 3/5/2010
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One more thought maybe states should allow us to buy out of state, i was talking to a guy the other day who owns a little park model mobile home in a little RV resort in which you own the 40 X 80 lot, he is a snowbird down here In southern Alabama, All he wanted on this was liability insurance to cover someone being injured on his property, the quotes he received were from $600.00 to $800.00 per year,from Alabama agents He told them they were nuts and called his homeowners in Wisconsin who told him they just happened to be licensed in Alabama and his coverage for his place in Alabama was added to his Wisconsin homeowners policy at a cost of $11.00 per year, So there are other companies who will insure us here but thanks to our State governments and politics they are not revealed or allowed to the buying public.
Written by Dave on 3/5/2010
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I don't think tornadoes destroy - as hurricanes do at one stroke - thousands upon thousands of homes. Imagine your money - all of your money - is put in a fund to pay for damage to homes... would you charge more or less for insuring homes in Florida or Oklahoma? Keeping in mind that a few dozen homes may be destroyed in a tornado, whereas thousands of your customers may need to receive FAR MORE money than they ever PAID in premiums to you. If you charged in Florida what you would in Oklahoma, one hurricane and you'd be out of business. You would suffer a "loss" - which is an indication of "something done incorrectly." Whereas "profit" isn't greed, it is a measure that money is being spent properly. Insuring homes in Florida against flooding is risky - that is potentially having higher payouts to many thousands of customers - and so the premiums will be higher. It does not make me happy to say it, but one day only the well-off will be able to afford coastal property. I have two co-workers who live on the coast, they are both on their third house over twenty years or so .... hmmmmm.... think about that. Should everyone else's insurance go up to cover their 4th home, or should they pay through the wazoo if they elect to "gamble" yet again on living on (I do mean "ON") the coast?
Written by kpf on 3/5/2010
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One thing also to consider is the states along the gulf coast have to at some point quit using the excuse of hurricanes to gouge people, I didn't mention it but up until last month we also owned a duplex in Oklahoma for 4 years Some may not be aware of it but that is known as tornado alley, just 1 unit in my duplex was larger than my home here in Florida plus each unit had a 2 car garage where my home here has a 1 car garage so in reality there was 2 homes and two 2 car garages and my premium there never once was increased in the 4 years and my premium was $740.00 for both units for $135,000.00 coverage, What i paid for it. So my point is we have natural disaster through out this country and companies manage to give reasonable rates with out increases every time you turn around, So instead of people praising the state of florida maybe it should ask the state of Oklahoma how they manage to do it, because the coverage i have here is over twice what i was paying in a tornado prone area. Just a thought.
Written by Dave on 3/4/2010
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I honestly can't blame the insurance company for something the State of Florida allows them to do, I'm sure this issue has been raised hundreds of times and swept under the rug as most polititians want issues to be. I just guess i have to believe as the saying today goes every time you turn on TV that government and insurance just don't get it, I never raised an issue when our premiums doubled, but i find it very difficult to swallow it now being increased on home values when our homes are in the toilet as far as value. So my original intent when i first posted here was because someone had given our govenor great credit for what he has done here as far as insurance versus whats being done in Louisiana and i just wanted to let the truth be known not all that much good has taken place here. The comment was made to move believe me when the market returns to where i can even break even we'll jump at it, but with all the hits people have taken in so many different ways it's a bit rough taking another hit of that size, in the mean time all i can do is warn others of the experience in a state like this, we moved here because of taxes 8 years ago but insurance has greatly surpassed what we used to pay in taxes in the state we left, of course we like alot of fools were sucked in by the beaches and things of that nature, but as they say live and learn.
Written by Dave on 3/4/2010
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"what happened to your value of water in a desert credo? Hell dave, Kp probably would like to see your premiums tripled, as long as his aren't affected" Hmmm .... no ... water IS worth more in the desert - and BTW - one would expect flood insurance to be much, much cheaper in the desert as well (at least I would, you may possibly disagree). Just as smokers pay higher medical insurance premiums, people living along a hurricane prone coastline will pay higher flood insurance premiums. As far as Dave having to pay for more coverage than he wants, I think that sucks. However, it may have been a bone the state threw to the insurance companies to provide ANY flood insurance coverage for ANY households in Florida. You accuse me of being greedy and unsympathetic - but honestly - would you invest YOUR lifesavings to provide flood insurance premiums for homes in Florida or south Louisiana? Sounds risky to me, I suspect you wouldn't.
Written by kpf, 'I call a spade a shovel' on 3/4/2010
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and as far as the premiums and loss payments go, what does it matter if the insurance company has 10 times the money necessary to rebuild your home if (gawd forbid) catastorphie does slap you and there is NO ONE TO REBUILD IT?......... or at least no one in close proximity.... So there you go folks, transportation infrastructure, and guess what, you can't afford that either because you aren't paying enough taxes to get it done. But if a person a couple hundred miles away could jump on a high speed train for 10 bucks and get to work on your problem, well, you might have a chance of seeing a new place to sleep within your lifetime...
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There you go again chief, flip-sliding away........... what happened to your value of water in a desert credo? Hell dave, Kp probably would like to see your premiums tripled, as long as his aren't affected..... Let's just call a spade what a spade is.....
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That is exactly my point yes they are forcing me to buy more coverage than i want or need, in my estimation this is just another form of gouging the public and put all the financial burden by forcing residents into an appraisal to LOWER their higher coverage is just one more instance the state is allowing all the financial burden put on the consumer, i have never heard of a state supporting such action in order to lower someones liability but i guess we learn something new everyday. The state could at the very least require the insurance company to reimburse the customer if the appraisal did prove them wrong so it's a lose lose either way to the buying public, either you pay for the appraisal or pay the forced coverage so you still come out either way $350.00 less to feed your families.
Written by Dave on 3/4/2010
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Okay Dave I hear and (now) understand. It is as though they are forcing you to take on more coverage to ... hmmmm ... (perhaps this is the only way they will insure Florida residents). Force ALL of them to pay more (than they should) so when the next multi gazillion dollar payout comes ...hmmmm (again)...... I'm not sure. Good luck.
Written by kpf, "just a thought" on 3/3/2010
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It is only critical if you believe the illusion they have put in front of your eyes....
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One other thing pointed out to the company and state of Florida was just to show how inflated the insurance companies cost was in this instance you can go on line right now to a builder called SS Steele homes who has been a builder here since the 1950's and i can replace my home today at 90,000.00 which would actually give me more home than i currently have now plus a 2 car garage, So for the company to say it takes 129,000.00 to replace my home is flat out wrong in todays market. To begin with i would expect an argument from a company if it were us who was trying to take our $106,000.00 home and try to increase it to $129,000.00 in todays market i would expect having to furnish all kinds of documentation to support that increase, but that is not the case I AM TRYING TO LOWER THEIR LIABILITY which one would think would be a GOOD THING and they are fighting me on that, now that is insanity and it clearly shows they could care less about our losses and it's purely the dollar that matters and the State of Florida supports these actions that is what is wrong here. If you were an insurer wouldn't you be happier to only pay out 106 versus 129 in a total disaster? So we are not trying to gouge them but yet it clearly appears they are gouging us.
Written by Dave on 3/3/2010
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We have no problem paying what our premium is, what we are disputing is the companies arrogance to dictate the worth of our home just to ad dollars to their pocket. as stated we paid 106 that is what we want it insured at, That would be my actual loss in a disaster, they want to up it to 129 that is inflated just to line pockets, i did not request more coverage they just stuck down our throat weather we wanted it or not, that is the issue.As for moving in this economy not likely since houses in my area are now selling for 31,900 on the low end and 88,000 on the high end, i shouldn't say selling because even at those prices they are sitting. We just don't feel a company should have the authority to hike value of our home when all we want it insured for is what our actual loss would be, By the way we went threw Ivan here and have dealt with insurance in the past and it was no treat even getting them to cover the losses then. But as stated my point being companies should have to sell us the coverage we want not a inflated one they want.My house is better than 10 miles from the gulf, the whole issue has nothing to do with the insurability of our home it has to do with them dictating a higher value on replacement cost than it actually is, as for other companies it appears to be the standard here now because i spoke to my neighbor and he to had to take their inflated value of over 120 thousand even though he wanted 100,000 coverage and his home is paid for to. When their is no bank or mortgage company involved and it is us the owners who would take the loss the the companies have no legal right to dictate our coverage that is the issue.
Written by Dave on 3/3/2010
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I think you would not have this problem if you moved where your home would have a lesser chance of being damaged. Florida and south Louisiana are very risky places for structures. Insurance companies paid out a lot of money for damages the last few years, that WILL mean our insurance rates will have to climb to cover these payouts. The insurance companies will not lose money - nor should they. I assume you are not forced to use one insurance company? If you cannot find ANY insurance company to provide coverage at what you think is the right price, maybe it is more about the location of your home than a fault of the insurance company?
Written by just a thought on 3/3/2010
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Don't kid yourself even now in 2011 Florida insurance is still gouging people one example is our housing and economy is in the toilet but yet our state officials are sitting back watching the isurance industry on people whos homes are paid for set unrealistic values on them to line their pockets even farther. My point is this i bought my home for $106,000.00 that i what I WOULD like to insure it for, but the state allowes the insurance company to value my policy at $129,000.00 which is not totally over inflated but also increases my premiums over $300.00 which in turn gives the cash to a company to stuff in their pocket. The insurer states in order to lower that cost i MUST get an appraisal at my expensewhich is totally insane. So if i get the appraisal i'm still out over $300.00 to prove a point i already know. It's plain & simple IT"S MY HOUSE not the insurance companies or the states (or so i thought) I could totally understand if it were i trying to increase the coverage then i would expect having to give them an appraisal, But spend money to LOWER THEIR LIABILITY ? is totally NUTS, I have emailed Govenor Crists office, The Florida Attorney generals office and the Florida State regulators office, but they so far from the regulators office anyway seem to think this type of gouging of it's citizens is just fine. It's pretty good when you work your entire life to get something paid for to just have the insurance companies get to DICTATE it's value.
Written by Dave on 3/2/2010
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Please don't think that Florida has all the answers on insurance. Our homeowners insurance is much higher than before the hurricanes of 2004. Below I10 on the beaches wind insurance is very high and I believe still only available through our insurer of last resort. Each and every Homeowners insurance Policy still includes a fee to replenish that fund. I hope that more people are getting flood insurance because those that had water and didn't lost big time. The cost to rebuild to the new codes has kept many from rebuilding. The Health Insurance offer is a step in the right direction IMHO. Being able to opt out of certain coverages to get an affordable plan is a good thing. We will have to see what the trial lawyers try with that. Few people realize that their premiums often include mandated coverage that drives up their premiums. Still many are deciding to not get insurance because they believe that if they put a Dem in the White House, they will get it for free. The entitlement mindset is a big obstacle in getting a real solution.
Written by Sharon on 5/1/2008
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Lots to be said on this subject, but no one is going to listen, so pay premiums until the day you die that don't always pay up in return is all I can add to this 'thread'.
Written by ............That is the pity of things actually on 5/1/2008
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Jim, dear, well said. As people are still struggling to rebuild from the disaster of Katrina they are faced with increasing costs of living, which includes building supplies and insurance costs. Some people have seen their insurance double in costs and that is terrifying to many, especially those on fixed incomes. Our hearts go out to all of them. As we shop for the necessities of life we see older people working more than ever before. We too may be forced to do the same. We are not ashamed to do it but we believe that people at certain ages need not be forced to work and need not be placed on public assistance. The old plantation may not be looking the same as before but believe me the people in it are determined and even more so that Pi. Jay Leno needs to call on some of us ordinary folk from Louisiana to speak for ourselves.
Written by RhettsWife on 5/1/2008
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Amen. While our Jindal goes running around to apparently promote himself here are some real issues that badly need addressing. Hey, maybe Charles Crist should be at the top of his party's ticket.
Written by Richard P. on 5/1/2008
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