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Louisiana Deserves A Governor Jindal Veto Override Session


Written by: Stephen Sabludowsky


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Weeks ago, I urged the people to force Governor Jindal to veto the pay raise passed by the legislators. I have always felt many are deserving of a pay raise but the process was flawed.  I found the entire experience exhilarating and draining as virtually thousands of people were mobilizing to voice their complaint at the state’s capitol.

 

This week, Governor Jindal had his say.  He vetoed a record number of funding legislation in HB1 and had previously vetoed millions in a supplemental spending act.    While doing so, he essentially announced as proud as a peacock that he was the “Veto Governor”.

 

There is nothing wrong with watching the taxpayer’s money and Governor Jindal should be praised for doing so.  How much of his actions were for local consumption or for national vice president hopes, we will never know, but there is plenty reason to suspect.  One reader yesterday did note that Rush Limbaugh had Jindal’s VP praise on his web site but that was taken down when a posting by a Bayoubuzz reader went up on Limbaugh’s site showing that some did not approve of the way that he was handling state government on his maiden voyage.

 

Jindal has not denounced his aspirations for Vice President and I strongly believe that his eyes are on and have been on the national plum position.  As a result, I have very little doubt he has been playing to the national audience with his various national appearances and contacts.

 

Louisiana deserves so much more.

 

We deserve a veto override session, not a Governor who promised us he wanted to be our leader who then turns around at the first opportunity to seek greener pastures.

 

This regular session is Evidence Item Number One.

 

Some legislators have never even met Governor Jindal.  Some complain he was never at the legislative floor and they never saw him.  While he set out a criteria that would limit government spending on Non-Government Organizations, that criteria was ill-defined.  He never spent time going over the details, answering questions about the criteria as a true administrator would and should do.

 

Of the 258 bills that were vetoed on Monday, we do not know whether any or which of those vetoes were justified.  Had he spent more time on dealing with the legislature on the criteria, we would have had fewer vetoes, possibly less requests for money and absolutely less anger by the legislators and by some of the voters.

 

We need a full-time Governor, not one who is putting his own national personal life ahead of the people of Louisiana.

 

Our state is a very poor one hit very hard by Katrina and Rita.  Good jobs are very scarce which is why many of our young kids still feel hopeless.  By the Jindal vetoes, much of the safety net has been taken away for our citizens.

 

This does not mean that Louisiana should depend upon Government.  But, many families are rubbing their pennies together to try to make ends meet.  Divorces are at a record high which means that something very dramatically wrong is going on in America and yes, here in Louisiana.

 

There is little money to support many of the fine organizations that help the needy so many of them will fold.  People are just beginning to recover from Katrina and Rita and although the Governor has put into place streamlined government, the results have not yet trickled down to the citizens.

 

There should be a full vetting on these vetoes since there was not one during the legislative process.  Governor Jindal might have very good reasons for line-iteming these projects and so he should explain in full detail his reasons for those nays.  Obviously, not ever bill will be raised for override and there might be a select few that would be brought up for discussion.  Many legislators did not receive phone calls from the Administration so they had no chance to discuss the merits of the funding requests with the Governor.   On one bill which calls for transparency in Government (including the Governor’s office), the Governor is telling us Rep. Neil Abramson conceded that the language was flawed which Abramson denies.  There is still no reason that the legislation should not be law immediately so we can see who got jobs and gave contributions to the Governor and to other elected officials based upon those contributions.

 

This override process is not to embarrass Governor Jindal who I hope remains our leader although I wish he would denounce any desire to be vice president which aspirations have absolutely caused suspicion and anger among the masses and the legislature.  By the way, other politicians have denounced their interest in being vice president although they have not been asked, so it would not be presumptuous to do so when national media are urging Jindal’s selection. 

 

This override process would be to let full sunshine into the Capitol. 

 

Louisiana has a right to know which bills are worthy and which are not.

 

Vetoing in the closet of darkness is the absolute opposite way for Louisiana to proceed.

 

We received this treatment on the campaign trail from Bobby Jindal when he became the stealth candidate.  It is time for him to stop being the stealth governor and for him and his administration to justify in hearings his reasons that poor and helpless Louisiana families would be better off by his veto pen.

 

So, let the veto override actions begin.  Hopefully, Louisiana and Bobby Jindal will learn plenty from the process.  Hopefully, the administration will become approachable and true democracy will ring.  We do not live in an autocracy.  Governor Jindal wants reform and so do all of us.  But, we want a Governor who takes his job seriously, will work with the legislature and above all else, the people. 

 

Bobby Jindal is a good man.  However, his record these few weeks has been pathetic.  He will not be vice president material until we know he can run the state which voted for him for Governor.    





 












 

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Hello and sorry for the contradictory name to the people of Louisana... Came across your governor's name from a political commentator, Bob Ingle. I like your governor for saying no to spending. Our great Governor Jon Corzine has pushed throught bonding solutions, by the way former bond trader from Goldman-Sachs. He has never vetoed a single budget line item, except for the possible concept of letting the voters go to decide on bonds. I see your legislative body has wanted to double their pay, ours did. Not only that, but they allowed for the dubious cost of living increase in their salaries as well. The governor at the time, did not veto this measure. No, she allowed it to sail through, after a reccomendation by a "committee of experts". Did I mention our New Jersey State supreme court wanted to be in line with federal judges? THey got two(2) pay increases in a single year. Of course the threat supposedly was these august overlords of the judiciary would leave our great state of New Jersey or return to private practice and make more money. Personally, do not let the door hit your butts on the way out, afterall the private sector position you would go after is lobbyist. I do wonder which is lower on the food chain, lobbyist or lawyer. So look North, look North people of Lousiana, your Governor Jindal can say no to spending, our Governor Jon Corzine, does not even know the definition. (BTW I did write to Senator Barack Obama to NEVER consider Jon Corzine as part of his administration lest fear the public wrath)
Written by IceNeedle on 7/24/2008
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And hence a request for a list of sponsored bills that will be funded, along with amounts and the purpose of the organization........................ But more importantly, I would like to know what or how that organization is benefitting the citizens of Louisiana across the board..................... Remember the key word here is 'THE'.......................... Regardless of economic or social/political status....................................
Written by   on 7/18/2008
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Hermann, I am sorry about my statement regarding your patriotism. At the same time, I think you should be watchful about your own remarks, but I am absolutely sorry. On the issue of the NGO's, Jindal has not made a case by case argument in vetoing them. He has not agreed to open up his own books and sign a disclosure of his own contributions and jobs granted. He is hypocritical in my view. He calls for disclosure and ethics. But, not for him. The vetoes are not just about money but he should justify the vetoes. Picking two of them out of 258 is not fair. And thanks for standing up for minorities. I wish that Jindal would have done the same in this case instead of vetoing legislation that could be good for that group--just because it is run by Cleo Fields. There are many other organizations that he did fund so he cannot say he is against funding NGO's.
Written by Righteous on 7/18/2008
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Thank you for your research Hermann, the numbers are an 'eyeopener' and thank you for your prior and current duty to our Nation.... It is vastly appreciated...... And I hope we get our priorities right and do not let your fallen comrades down...................... for their supreme sacrafice to people they didn't even personally know............
Written by   on 7/18/2008
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Your writings are inconsistent and contradictory. Take a position one way or the other and stand by it!
Written by Tony Calcagno on 7/18/2008
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Steve! What is the "closet of darkness" nonsense? You can legitimately criticize Jindal for failing to communicate with the legislature as clearly as he might have done but a "closet of darkness"????? C'mon! How many of us knew these NGOs and pet projects were scheduled by the legislature to receive public funds? Almost none of us did! THERE is your "closet of darkness"! You've got it a__-backwards. The vetoes are in full view of the public and Jindal has made a decent accounting of his justifications ( see http://blog.bobbyjindal.com/2008/moving-forward-with-fiscal-reforms/ for more ). What about the $1,000 per year pay raise for teachers to keep them at the southern average? Isn't it nice to see we have a Governor who can fund a pay raise that invests in our capital resources -- education and job training are capital assets in case anyone does not know this -- rather than dole out money to each and every little pet project of local and regional interest that can get a legislator to sponsor its funding and which produces no assets for the state in return? I'm not suggesting that some of these NGOs are not worthy, but we have SERIOUS structural economic problems in Louisiana which our government can only address with limited resources. It's a tough choice to make when you have to turn down well-meaning and responsible private organizations who help some of the most vulnerable in our society in order to have money on hand to invest in capital resources that produce a return of future assets for the entire state, but at our present level of underdevelopment we MUST do exactly that. Besides, by funding NGOs from the public purse you make them into something besides true "non-governmental organizations" don't you? I'm happy to see people get active, but where is the civic commitment on their part to be a true private organization if they count upon the state treasury to fund their activities? And all this complaining about Jindal as a potential V.P. candidate is completely irrelevant to an examination of the worthiness of the funding initiatives that were vetoed. Do your research and present your arguments for any veto you oppose and we can take it on that basis. I support Governor Jindal completely in these vetoes. It's about time we get a little confrontation going around here. We're going to have to stand up to people who are too easily moved to dole out state funding while ignoring the bigger picture. It's a good first step.
Written by Jacob Sulzbach, Lafayette, La. on 7/17/2008
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Righteous, I failed to answer your other questions. I've never held a government job; I've always been in the private sector and paid a helluva lot of taxes. I've had no appointment from Jindal or anyone else. As to supporting Jindal, I wrote three very strongly worded letters to him when he seemed to be dragging his feet on vetoing the legislative pay raise.
Written by hermann on 7/17/2008
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You call yourself Righteous; I think Self-Righteous wpould be more appropriate. As to my being a Nazi because I have the name Hermann, I served on a carrier-based torpedo bomber during WWII, and over half of my squadron mates were killed. I was also called back for the Korean War. So don't question my patriotism. Also, I'm 83 years old and I've had many lucrative offers for employment out of state, but I've stayed here in the hopes that we can reform this state finally for my kids and grandkids. I've spent my life volunteering in my spare time in NGO's to improve things. I've also been called n.....lover many times because of my work with wonderful African Americans. I singled out two of the most flagrant and most intemperate abusers of the "earmarks" process, not intending to single out any ethnic group. I have studied the entire list of potential vetoes and I agree with Jindal that as meritorious as many may be, the issue is whether the taxpayers of the state should be funding them, or whether local or private sources should be providing funds. At my advanced age, I'm thrilled that someone finally has shown the old-fashioned guts to start the unpopular task of reforming this process. I think Jindal has been poorly served by his kiddie-corp set of advisors, who have done a poor job of liaiason with the legislature. Sorry I've been so long winded. By the way, Righteous, what are your patriotic and tolerance credentials?
Written by hermann on 7/17/2008
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For years people in La. have complained about the "slush funds". NOW WE have a Gov. who has the guts to start doing away with them and you are still not happy. cleo threatens Jindal on WAFB...I remember him on secret tape taking $$ from EWE...I'm with the Gov. on this one ! NOT the Cleo, Ann D.'s,etc. Steve...you do seem to have had a vendetta against Jindal for some time now. Give it a rest. At least--he is trying to make a difference...No other Gov. has had courage to stand against these greedy Leg.'s who want their relatives to work in their NGO's.
Written by Kim on 7/17/2008
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I think Bobby is not eyeing the VP spot, but instead is opting for a Cabinet position. He turned around the LA DHH and is really an expert in that area, so I am sure he has gotten the attention of the national big heads.
Written by pdoland on 7/17/2008
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Hermann, You name two organizations out of 258. Let us assume you are right about the two you mentioned. What about the other 256? What were the differences between the 256 that were vetoed and those that were approved. Don't you want to know? Or, maybe you do know. If so, please tell us. You are also naming Cleo Fields. Is that because he is black and is doing community work in the black community? Also, Hermann, is that a Nazi name? Last, isn't it strange that when the writer publishes pro Jindal pieces those who do not like Jindal say he is "gushing" over Jindal? By the way, do you have a government job? Did you give to Governor Jindal? Did you get an appointment? Curious minds can't find this information out because the most transparent Governor in history vetoed legislation that would have allowed us to know.
Written by Righteous on 7/17/2008
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Steve- You are so pathetic in your vendetta against Jindal, which began during the campaign. It's about time that a governor had the guts to stop these incumbent legislator campaign funds that are paid for by the taxpayers and disguised under high sounding names. I'm familiar with some of the ones in Baton Rouge, like Riz Up($370,000) and the La. Leadership Institute($100,000). These are campaign organizations for politicians, the latter for Cleo Fields. They are used to round up voters on election day to vote for minority-backed candidates and do little that benefits the State overall. I think Cleo's organization got about $700,000 last session under Blanco. Most of these items are former "slush fund" items designed the help incumbents to get re-elected. Some of the items may have some individual merit, but the issue is should the forgotten taxpayers statewide pay for essentially local projects. Most of these projects file no reports or do any real accounting of the use of the taxpayer funds. Your vendetta is getting tiresome!
Written by hermann on 7/17/2008
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Amen Sid. I'll gladly pay MORE taxes to give our legislators a pay raise - on the condition they stay home. We have enough laws already - far too many in fact. Since most of what our legislators do is contrary to the best interests of the "average Joe" - paying them to stay home sounds just fine to me.
Written by kpf on 7/17/2008
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C'mon folks, a veto session? Our poor lege's are having a tough enough time sleeping in cars while in Baton Rouge and now we want them to go back into a session without proper pay! You inconsiderate rich folks! It's bad enough that we have a legislature that doesn't represent the people(i.e. the pay raise & tuition increases)and a governor that forgot the people. We would be better off if we kept them out of Baton Rouge
Written by Sid on 7/17/2008
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Stephen,dear, we have been rather spineless on this issue. However, we realize that we have to have some true backbone. The veto session is essential for the future of this state. While many of the vetoes can be understood from the mere fact that essential information was lacking, there is one factor that stands out and that is the veto that eliminates the transparency in the governor's office. That one factor alone, together with a few other issues involving those vetoes, has led us to agree with you on this position. CALL A VETO SESSION, LEGISLATORS!!!! GET SOME BACKBONE TOO. WALK THE WALK AND STOP THE MERE TALK. Jeff, dear, sorry you are wrong.
Written by RhettsWife on 7/17/2008
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Mr. Facts. I would like to comment about your statement. The one thing I like about Steve is that he is willing to take sides that might go against the grain of the people, but, he is fair and he cares. I do not always agree with him, but, I know that he is right much more than he is wrong. You call it "stirring", as a columnist, what else would you want him to do. He wants us to think and he gives us an opportunity to voice our opinions and guess what, even disagree with him openly. Last week some in the buzzbacks were claiming he was too pro-Jindal. Prior to the legislative pay raise issue, again, he was claimed to be too pro-Jindal. I give Steve credit for having a mind of his own and speaking out even when some might disagree with him. Regarding Jindal, I think it is really funny. A few weeks ago, everyone wanted to ring his neck for appearing to have no spine. Finally, he was forced to veto the legislation. The people made him do that. So, now he finds an issue where he can get cozy with the people again so he can be a vice president candidate. That really took a lot of courage, didn't it? Can't you see he just wanted to get his base back? Can't you see he just wants to be vice president? He would drop us in a heartbeat. So, I thank Steve for pointing out the good and the bad in this man and pointing out the bad even at times when people think he is good.
Written by Righteous on 7/17/2008
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Let me play the devil's advocate here since I don't give a tinker's damn which ultralib, McCain or Obama, is elected. Either way we lose. They are two peas from the same diseased pod in Washington. Does anyone other than Rush 'Speedball" Limbaugh really think that McInsane will chose Jindal as VP material? Next question - if Jindal IS selected by Juan McCain and then defeated as will likely be the case, does Bobby get to resume his duties as Governor or is he required to give up his office to run. 'Cause if he does that's a real roll of the political dice! Now Obama and Jindal - that might be interesting. They are really all just one big party anyhow : Republicrats that represent neither traditional party values.
Written by Wantabefree on 7/17/2008
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Steve, my first reaction to your comments is "Get a life." On second thought, you remind me of an editor I knew who admitted with no remorse that he often sensationalized news to stir things up amongst normally apathetic readers. Perhaps, like him, you think you're doing us a favor. In fact, looking at your last 20 editorials, I'm starting to think that's all you want to do. But then, it really doesn't matter why you write what you write and it's really none of my business. How refreshing it would be to not have to listen to all you geniuses telling us why Jindal (or any of the cute, insulting nicknames you give him) does what he does, which you couldn't possibly know, and focus on results. I'm willing to suffer the loss of monies to organizations I like to have a governor who is willing to cut even a slice of pork from our state's bloated budget.
Written by Can we focus on the facts? on 7/16/2008
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I think the veto session is the right thing to do. The public has a right to determine if a project is good or not and a veto session would allow us to really see where the money is going and if the cause is good. Some legislators will not bring up their own bills, others will. I also know a lot of organizations that do very good work and were cut--some for political reasons. The bills that would be brought up would be very selective and the cream would rise to the top. The process was just wrong and it was obviously a game for Jindal who just wanted to use it to regain credibility. If anything, I think it hurts him because he was forced to veto the legislative pay raise and now he is playing the legislature off against the people. I think while there might be some bad apples, most of the legislators try to do good things for their districts including funding projects. It would be great if we had a lot of money that our organizations could just get funded by the private sector, but, now, how many Fortune 1000's do we have in Louisiana? How many of us have spare money floating around? For me, I want to see if the projects are worthy and a session would allow us to view this information. Regardless, I think that Jindal is now dead meat with the public and the legislature and he might as well become VP, because he will be useless here.
Written by Righteous on 7/16/2008
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Hadji is a gutless weiner, and should be recalled.Personally i think he need to go to rehab for his crack problem,listen how fast he talks, and look how thin his face is.
Written by anthony on 7/16/2008
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How about recalling Jindal and getting Blanco back? That would be nice.
Written by Its Me on 7/16/2008
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Oh, and coincidentally Hanko, I used to contribute approx. $65.00 per month to the YMCA.........
Written by   on 7/16/2008
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Yup!!!! That was definitely a pftftftftftfttftttttftftfttftfttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can’t you do better than that Hanko?????????
Written by   on 7/16/2008
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Bobby Jindal is anything but a good man, Stephen.....He is a coward and a political opportunist. This makes twice in one session that he has thrown the legislature under the bus. Hopefully they will have the fortitude to stand up to him during the next three years and make him a one-termer.
Written by yo mama on 7/16/2008
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Hank said, " Better yet, give a contribution to the Governor. You might get a job and our Guv/VP won't have to report the getting and the giving." LOL!!! Way to go, Hank... (Mr.Anonymous's writings are difficult to follow anyway.)
Written by KjunLady on 7/16/2008
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So you believe that the Governor can hide his money from contributions and veto legislation that would demand that he say what he got and what jobs he gave away. There were 258 vetoes. If you think the Boys and Girls and YMCA are pork, go at it. I am gld you are so rich. So, go out there and start digging deep into your pocket and start giving. Better yet, give a conribution to the Governor. You might get a job and our Guv/VP won't have to report the getting and the giving.
Written by Hank on 7/16/2008
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Do I hear a pftftftftftfttftttttftftfttftfttttttt about to erupt as a result of your keyboard pounding pontifications Nespah???? Ha!-ha!-ha!-ha!ha1.......... Err, uhhh,, Hal, open the pod doors.......
Written by   on 7/16/2008
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Because sunshine, the crux of the issue was originally stated as:......So tell me Hank, exactly which on the list of vetos are the 'needy' organizations, and what will be the extent of their contributions to society as a result of contributions to them a'la the taxpayers pockets????????................. u putzo...
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Oh, I see, you subscribe to the “Critical-Thinking” train of thought currently prescribed by a majority of the academic hierarchy around the nation…. You know, the philosophy that causes a person to think they can take a couple of amino acids, toss them in a test tube along with some water, shake it furiously for a few seconds, and throw it in the micro wave for a minute and a half on high and a brontosaurus should appear….. And of course backed by, “And if it didn’t work, the results were merely a case of the instance of wrong timing, not wrong approach and wrong affects rendered due to such a discipline”… Real genius there Hank…. Good thinking there you fashionable plutonic Plato……………………
Written by   on 7/16/2008
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Written by...you are disgusting. So, when the Governor wants money for projects, that is not pork? When he wants money from contributors for his campaign or his transition team or his inauguaration and some of those people get jobs who donated, you don't think we have a right to know about the contributions and the jobs? Are you saying there were no good money bills? If so, why does not the governor veto the bills he pushed through the legislature? Aren't they pork also--by your standards?
Written by Hank on 7/16/2008
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So tell me Hank, exactly which on the list of vetos are the 'needy' organizations, and what will be the extent of their contributions to society as a result of contributions to them a'la the taxpayers pockets???????? Interesting, according to WDSU Habitat for Humanity has aquired many (many? as in how many?) hundreds of properties in the 9th ward..... I would wonder what Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae would have in common with Habitat for Humanity? And of course RIZ-Up!LA..... I hate to beat the farts out that dead pig but really, what did Louisiana recieve for the hundreds? of thousands of dollars pumped into this maggot infested pork based daydream over the years??? The YMCA..... Hmmmmm,,,, interesting, but you know something, the Young Men's Christian Association probably should have stuck with low cost dorms for men to stay at while they looked for jobs, or what ever, and the occaisonal built in swimming pool with gym to generate dollars......... There is always their counter part the Salvation Army to cook meals....... And of course, their are the churches and the private sector making contributions.... Yes, for all the tear jerking, it is an NGO,,,, And the list goes on and on and on and on....... As could this dissertaition, but again, how long do I need to spend beating the farts out of a dead pig????
Written by   on 7/16/2008
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I agree with Steve. Jindal is clearly playing politics to win back the voters and to have a chance to be VP. Had he had good communications with the legislators during the session, had he come to them with his rules and asked if there were any questions about these projects, none of this would have happened. He is a very poor example of a governor.
Written by Doris Clark on 7/16/2008
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I have received an email about the pay raise veto in connection with this column. So, in the event there is any confusion, without question, that legislation was properly vetoed by Governor Jindal since the people rose up against him and he finally saw the light. That veto should not be overridden. However, for the reasons I have stated in my column, certain legislative instruments that were vetoed should be considered by the legislature in a session to override vetoes. Legislators would absolutely not override Jindal's veto of their pay raise. But, the money process and the veto process was very flawed. There were no hard and fast guidelines for legislators. There were insufficent communications with the Governor to discuss money bills criteria. The Abramson bill which would force government officials (including the Governor) who received contributions and jobs should be law. Either we want ethics reform or we don't. Legislators should be able to review those bills they think they can get the votes to override and if they think the legislation is critical, it should pass overrring the Governor. Had the Governor commmunicated with the legislators about these bills in advance of their passing we would have had good government, not a Govrnor who crowed about being the veto king. On the pay raise, the legislature would not have the votes on their own pay raises and they would not think of going down that road again. That would be suicide.
Written by Stephen Sabludowsky, Publisher of Bayoubuzz.com on 7/16/2008
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I am with the author on this. He is clearly saying the process was flawed on the legislative pay raise but the veto should not be overridden. he is also saying that the process was flawed on some the other vetoes due to Jindal's office not communicating with legislators beforehand before vetoing money and other bills and that the legislature should override specific legislation. I agree. I think it is terrible that Louisiana can spend millions of dollars on state projects but when it comes to social services that are needed such as helping people to get jobs, aiding organizations help people rebuild after Katrina and Rita, getting rid of the homeless on Canal street, helping economic development organizations the Governor did not even talk to the legislators about those projects. I also cannot believe the Govvernor vetoed legislation that would have made elected officials (including his own office) report who got what jobs and what did they give as a contribution. So much for transparency. That law should go into effect and there is no reason for us to wait unless Jindal has something to hide. We all know that Jindal is thinking of himself, his future career and took the eye off of the legislative ball. There are some very needy organizations that were vetoed, some important bills that would have really strenghthened the ethics code that were vetoed, no or little communication about these vetoes in advance by the Governor, vague guidelines as to what would be accepted or not accepted by the Governor. I see no inconsistency by this writer. If anyone is inconsistent, it is the Governor who wants to be vice president and who has gone AWOL or who has acted in ways to bolster up his own chances to be veep.
Written by Hank on 7/16/2008
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The author would be the lone ranger on this one.
Written by Its me on 7/16/2008
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"Weeks ago, I urged the people to force Governor Jindal to veto the pay raise passed by the legislators. I have always felt many are deserving of a pay raise but the process was flawed." Are you kidding me? Which Governor do you want? Now you are suggesting a veto override session? Poor Legislators? I would prefer that my tax dollars NOT go to an alumni association, certainly not one of which I am not an alum. The inconsistency is coming from the author, not the Governor.
Written by Give Me A Break! on 7/16/2008
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