On Thanksgiving we are thankful.But, when a great injustice occurs, it is not time to give in, but to call out for the sake of America.
That harm occurred yesterday in an interview with the Examiner and Michael Steele, the National Republican Party Chairman.
The interview shows how polarized this country is and how difficult it must be for any of us to have many thanks this holiday season.
Here’s why:
Examiner:Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana proudly admitted to selling her cloture vote for $300 million in what is being called the “Louisiana Purchase”. Would you stand behind Governor Bobby Jindal if he denounces her tactics?
Tactics?To use one’s power to obtain the best for the people an elected official represents or tactics?Mary Landrieu went to bat for Louisiana at Republican Governor Jindal’s urging.Jindal did not support the health care legislation.But, he did send language to Landrieu’s office to insert in a health care bill he opposed.What he did was no different than what almost all elected officials do even though they do not want to talk about it for obvious reasons.
I believe virtually all Republican and Democrat elected officials will try to obtain something for their respective votes. It is as American as Thanksgiving.Did Mary Landrieu personally receive money or something in kind for herself for her vote?Nobody has any proof, whatsoever, to show that she personally benefitted.
Yet, probably all members of Congress (including Landrieu) received political contributions from lobbyists.Did those contributions buy any of their votes?I am sure that Michael Steele would say that no money sent to the National Republican Party or any of its members from industries opposed to the health bill or any other legislation is buying his organization’s or his members’ votes.So, what did Mary Landrieu do that was any different than any other member of Congress or any political party?The answer is nothing.She was doing the Governor’s bidding.If Mary Landrieu helped a state in need at the beckoning call of Republican Governor Bobby Jindal and if Steele wants to call that a “tactic”, then perhaps he and his party members should return all contributions made to them since he might be surprised to find out that those contributing or doing so to help influence a vote and for no other reason.
Michael Steele:Absolutely I would support the governor.
Incredible.For Steele to support the Governor to denounce Mary Landrieu would be tantamount for Steele asking Governor Jindal to denounce himself.When Mary Landrieu received legislative language from Governor Jindal’s administration to insert in the health care bill, Jindal as hoping for the best, but betting on the worse.He was hoping that Mary Landrieu would vote against the legislation.He was totally against it.But, he was hedging his bets no different than many elected officials who have a major problem at home and who want to help their own constituents.
Steele:That is a testament on what is so wrong with this process on a matter so important as health care. That a senator would stand up and brag about getting not just the $100 million that was hidden in the bill, but for her to go back and barter that up to $300 million is the most distasteful part of the process that bothers people.
If the only reason that Mary Landrieu voted for the health care legislation was to help her state receive $300 million dollars for a major unfair Medicaid obligation due to Katrina and Rita, then Republican Chairman would have an argument.But, she was very clear that she was only casting her vote in favor of the debate to go forward, but letting everyone know that when the final vote comes unless there are drastic changes in the bill, she was no guarantee whatsoever.She actually shares many of the same concerns about the health care bill as does Michael Steele.The 300-hundred million was just one factor in the vote and many knew about the “statutory language” prior to the vote, especially Governor Jindal’s office who did not openly complain.So, perhaps Michael Steele should condemn Governor Jindal who actually is working very hard to lift Louisiana from the bad lists to the good lists and is having some success in doing so.In fact, one way that Louisiana is actually improving its overall economic position is through financial incentives to businesses so they locate or stay in Louisiana.Some people might call using public money to lure businesses to that state bribary.Others call it an incentive.Is it unsavory?Most economists would say it is a price for states to do business.So, if states can fund businesses for the public benefit, why can’t governor’s and Congresspeople ask for money in legislation as an incentive for their vote?Both are for the benefit of the state.It might be wrong for Landrieu or for any other elected official to vote for legislation only or primarily due to a special request, but, there is no proof whatsoever that this occurred last week.It would be illegal for a public official to receive money or something in kind for their personal benefit, but again, there is no evidence this occurred last week.Instead, Senator was attempting to help Republican Governor Bobby Jindal and at the same time, trying to extend the debate so that she could make a bill better for her state.The only way to do that is by negotiations and discussion.That is called democracy.If she and other moderates bolt during the vote on the merits, the Senate might change the legislation to ensure that it passes both the House, the Senate and be signed by the President.This story if far from over. If Steele or anyone else has any proof that such as a video or audio or affidavit that something illegal, unethical or wrongful occurred, let him bring it forward.But, he must remember, Mary Landrieu was doing what Bobby Jindal wanted, assistance with the Medicaid deficiency.If she did wrong, then, Governor Jindal did wrong.
As far as “bartering up” from $100 to $300 million dollars, Senator Landrieu received nothing personal for her vote, Steele cannot prove that she “bartered up”.He absolutely owes Senator Landrieu and even Governor Jindal an apologyWhen you look at that section of the bill, it describes a place that could only be Louisiana, so it’s very clear who they had in mind for the $100 million.
Yes, Michael Steele is absolutely right, here.The legislation should have been more succinct.
Absolutely, we want resources to go to Louisiana. It is a shame that after all this time, it has not been completely healed since Katrina. But at the same time, you have to balance that with the needs of the rest of the country at a time when we are still in recession, the jobless numbers are going up and not down, and small businesses are contracting not expanding. So that $300 million, along with all the other hundreds of billions of dollars that have been spent for pork barrel projects, become something that you need to be concerned about. I think the American people are concerned. While the idea of those dollars being spent to help those still devastated parts of New Orleans and Louisiana are good,
The suggestion that money for Katrina is “pork barrel” is simply and wholly repugnant.Perhaps Michael Steele should tell the Louisiana sheriffs, the mayors, the police officers, the fire chiefs, the homeowners who lost almost everything, and he should tell almost every institution in the southern part of the Louisiana which they received “pork” and not assistance to restore a vital piece of the United States and their own lives after a major disaster and after (for some) the breaking of federal levees.If anyone should be denounced, it is Steele, and by Governor Jindal and by Louisiana Republican Chairman Roger Villere and every elected official and homeowner who received Katrina and Rita assistance largely based upon the fact that Louisiana is very important to the rest of the nation and because the state contributes to the nation’s well-being .If Louisiana was not a valuable commodity to the US, then, maybe Louisiana should just secede from the Union and become its own country.I am surely doubtful that the rest of the nation would not like that idea, now would it?
I think it sacrifices the principle for the dollar. Because the principle is whether or not this is a good bill for the American people and does it really provide what people expect from their health care. If you don’t think it does, why would you look to get money in exchange for what is ultimately a bad vote?
Chairman Steele should take his argument to the Republican party and ask them to sign a pledge with their new “Contract With America” that no Republican elected official will ever ask for anything in any legislation for his or her district (or state) as part of a piece of legislation.Once he gets each member of his party to take a vow that they will resign from office should they violate that oath, then can Michael Steele preach to the rest of America about what is common practice among states, among members of both political parties.If he wants to change things in Congress and in the state houses he and his party leaders have the power to make a difference.
For starts, if we really want full transparency and less mystery in government, perhaps Chairman Michael Steele would take the lead and demand that his political party begin hold all of their sessions with their party elected officials in the open for the public to see instead of behind closed doors.It would be quite helpful for the public to know what pressures are being upon the elected officials by the two-main political parties.That type of “real time” TV show would tell us plenty about who calls the shots and why our two parties are so prone to vote along party lines.Then, and only then would we have any inkling if their public actions are for purely principal or for “party purposes”.
Let’s let the full sun shine this Thanksgiving on the political process by both parties and then we can really talk “Turkey” and give plenty of thanks.
Seceeding from the nation, sounds sort of like a corny George Burns and Jack Benny skit…. George Burns was having his weekly lunch with Jack Benny when he suggested a way to get a free lunch….."You know what Jack, we've been coming here for so many years, this place must have made a fortune from us. Not only do we spend a lot of money, we bring in a lot of business!"…."You're probably right George."… "So how about, when the bill comes, you insist on paying it!"….."How does that get us a free lunch?"….. "Well, then I will insist on paying it. we get into a big fight and eventually you say "That is it! If you don't let me pay, I will never have lunch with you again." The restaurant will be so scared of losing out business, they'll have to give us the meal for free to shut us up!"….. "I love it!"….. So, at the end of the meal, the waiter comes over with the bill and place it on the table. Jack, will a big grin on his face, takes out his wallet and says;"I'M paying for the lunch today, George!"…."Thank's Jack, that is very nice of you." Written by
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Steve, still eating stoooooooooooopid pills are ya? Well, they are working and your powers of reasoning are slipping proportionately… “The suggestion that money for Katrina is “pork barrel” is simply and wholly repugnant.” Is probably in reference to additional heaps of cash tossed onto a bonfire that has raged out of control and been a waste in many instances….. And your stoooooooopid pre civil war rally cry or chant of seceding from the nation (It’s a Union of states you idiot) makes great sense.. After we waste ourselves fighting that ‘Yankee scum’ is over, and if anything is left, who or whom do you believe we should prostitute ourselves to or be tenant under? India? China? Brazil? Cuba? Mexico? How about CaliNevArizOre’tah? Or Missarkalagia? Or Kenennelinada? Or are you rooting for France to be our under---- er, uhhh, caretakers? What a moron you are. Time for Louisiana to pull itself up by its bootstraps and be a positive. I am pretty sure that when the taxpayers funded the “Louisiana Purchase” they never gave up ‘mineral rights’ to the territory. (hmmmmmmmmm, maybe that could be a case to be heard in front of the Supreme Court by the Indian Nations that got tossed off their lands) Written by
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If "depression" "recession" and "the economy" mean anything to you, it may be worth your while to peruse this article on the "Forgotten Depression" of 1920. This article refutes the "accepted wisdom" concerning government intervention, Hoover, Harding, "fiscal stimulus", etc. ach-tee-tee-pee colon double forward slash mises.org/daily/3788 Written by kpf
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Once again, Governor Jindal has shown his complete cowardice. With all that is being said about Senator Landrieu since he conspired to put language in the US Senate health care bill and he has been silent and not taken up for the Senator as she has been called names such as prostitute, he should be ashamed. If Landrieu is to be faulted, he is to be faulted much more. He has proven he has no values and cannot be trusted. Written by Noel Coward
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The truth is that attaching "goodies" for a member of congress' district is the most common way of getting legislation passed. Unfortunately for the taxpayer legislation that is often unneeded and expensive becomes even more expensive with all of this vote buying. Written by kpf
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Stephen--You say Republicans should either shut up or sign a pledge that "no Republican elected official will ever ask for anything in any legislation for his or her district (or state) as part of a piece of legislation." In effect you are saying that they are in no position to criticize Landrieu unless they make such a pledge. Really? As you well know "politics is the art of comprimise" and the process of politics is as ugly as that of making sausage. But at least with sausage you get something that tastes good when all is done. There is a huge difference in on the one hand, getting all you can for your constituents out of a Bill that you are inclined to vote for on the merits in the first place (and have never publicly opposed)--after all, this is just good politics--and what Landrieu did--which was to prostitute herself for short-term political gains . But in selling her vote in a rank, unprincipled showing as she did by signing on for debate (which makes passage an 80-90% certainty) after shortly before this (and for purely political posturing for your constituents back home) going public with her opposition to the Bill, she was selling her soul for money. And the word "prostitute" seems fit and apt in this setting, being defined in my Funk and Wagnalls Standard Dictionary's second meaning as "one who sells his services for unworthy purposes" Written by NotSoFastEddie
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I'm not sure why you are giving so much stock to anything Michael Steele says or does. He is,to put it nicely, an idiot. He is an embarrassment to the handful of rational Republicans left. As a Democrat I absolutely love for him to get as much air time/print exposure that he can get. He is truly a "gift that keeps on giving". Written by Gritsngumbo
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One simplistic question comes to my mind ... when both parties do the same things when they are in power - such as running deficits and having us engage in foreign wars - why do people not either support or condemn these actions when either party is in power, instead of only condemning them when "the other party does it?" If you think Obama's deficits are okay, then why criticize Reagan's or Bush II's deficits? If you think Obama's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are okay, then why criticize Bush II's wars there? I think there are people who are too smart to cage themselves in to the narrow confines of "left" and "right" and instead take each issue for its own merit. Unfortunately all too many are blinded by partisanship - so much so that they will decry one policy (the war in Afghanistan as but one example) when one party is in power, but when the same policy is continued by "their" party, they remain silent on this subject (this was true for many GOP supporters concerning Bush II's deficits). As far as health care costs being high, actually, they are not high at all. What makes health care costs expensive are the government mandates that force working Americans to pay for the health care of those too poor to afford medical care, including illegal aliens. Not that I advocate letting the poor die, but this government mandate is the reason health costs are high. Adding increased coverage to yet more people will not make it anything but even more expensive for those who can pay. The upper class and politicians (oh, but I repeat myself) will still be able to buy the care they want, the middle class will have to make do with less care at a higher cost. Government has created the problem; I doubt they are capable of providing a solution. In any case, the whining, bitching and moaning you hear from the right will be nothing compared to the howls of outrage from the left after the midterm elections. Despite Mr. Quidd's "simplistic" and incorrect analysis of the polls, all polling data I access show that Obama, the Democratic Party, and the health care reform bill are losing popularity among the people. When all is said and done, the Obama presidency's legacy will be an invigorated right, not a leftward shift of America's governance. As far as "was I better off when Bill Clinton was president?" - the answer is "I was much better off when the GOP ran the House of Representatives and had a balanced budget" as they did despite having a tax and spend liberal - Bill Clinton "the man from Hot Springs" - in the office of president. Two months ago I would not have though the GOP had any real chance of regaining the House in 2010, but the way the polls are going .... Written by kpf
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A couple of very simplistic thoughts come to my mind when listening to all of the b*tching, whining and moaning coming from the right.
1) You had a Republican president from 2001-2008, and Republican Congress from 2001 to 2006. If you wanted healthcare done your way you should have done it when you had the majority.
2) If things were so great with the last Republican president why wasn't another Republican elected in 2008 to continue on with the greatness.
3) If the country was doing so great during the last Republican presidency why was a stimulus needed in the form of $1200 "tax rebate" and the bailout of the financial institutions.
4) Why under the last Republican presidency were tax breaks given to the rich and not to the middle class.
5) In what area did middle class life improve and/or get better under the last Republican presidency?
6) Were you in better shape when Clinton or Bush II was in office. Written by EMEKZ1
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Wisdom by a conservative black man; a man with far more insight than most other men, black or white, liberal or conservative. Sowell accurately describes the roots of the economic crises, what's wrong with "the fix" - and how gullible all too many of the public are: ach-tee-tee-pee colon double forward slash frontpagemag.com/2009/11/26/solving-whose-problem-by-thomas-sowell/ Written by kpf
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No, Jindal is a coward. if I were Mary Landrieu, I would never help him with anything. He can ask David Vitter. Let's see what type of stroke Vitter has to get anything done. Written by Jessie
on 11/26/2009
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If neither jails nor bridges can be "pork" - then should we not endeavor to build ever more jails and bridges, since they are a "wise and appropriate" use of taxdollars? Kind of like the argument against closing schools or military bases: "it would devastate the local economy." ___ Really ___ Then perhaps the solution to ANY local's poor economy is to build a university or base in that location? (or perhaps ..... "not") Written by kpf
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Chairman Steele has a steel brain. How insensitive can he be? He should tell us what is the pork? The jails built? The bridges? The court houses rebuilt after Katrina? After he tells us what is pork, he should tell Jindal he is a fake. Written by Larry
on 11/25/2009
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No James, it is not that people think they are geting something for nothing, rather they think government will take from their fellow citizens and they will get more from government then they themselves pay to government. Most amusing of all is they only give up their self-sufficiency to become serfs of government, left only to fight over the scraps government will throw to the people AFTER they use taxpayers' money to 1) pay their salaries, perks and pensions; 2) pay back their political campaign contributors and 3) provide foreign governments and multinational corporations and banking interests with money taken from American wage earners. "The people" are then "given" by government what was earned by others ("what's left" that is). Even then, most of THIS spending is "distributed" to the people only to aid in politicians' re-election chances. "Turkey of the Year"? - the U.S. public gets my vote. Written by kpf
on 11/25/2009
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This is what is wrong with this Country. Everyone has a price and can be bought. Landrieu is supposed to represent the poeples' wishes and by selling out she did not, when 75% of the people do not want the Government to take over healthcare. People are stupid to think we are getting something for nothing. They are doing nothing more that taking out tax money and sending it back and making most people thing they are taking care of us. I say quit taking so much of the money and let the local governments spend on the projects we want. Written by James
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Chairman Steele is simply venting his frustration that health care reform is moving forward in the Senate despite the GOP's best efforts to stop it. 61% of those polled want meaningful health care reform and 59% believe the GOP is acting in bad faith on the issue. The only exceptions have been Joseph Cao and Olympia Snowe. Snowe has expressed a willingness to vote for a public option with a trigger and an opt-out provision for states. Written by David Quidd
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Is she a FEMA or a FEMALE senator from Louisiana? Prostitute or whore? Potato or potatoe? @$$hole or just a typical garden hoe? Depends on a persons sensibilities I suppose. And yes, I am glad that Senator Landrieu said that Governor Booby Jindal wanted those dollars to. It is so nice to know that the two kids are getting along nicely. They are so cute when they play the good-cop/bad- cop – Democrat/Republican comedy routine. Written by
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Wonder if Steele knows that Jindal was involved? Think once he finds out, he will ask the GOP to condemn the Gov? Why is Bobby so silent? Why is Roger Villere so silent? Why is Steele so silent? think Rush and Glenn Beck know? Why are they so quiet? Hussshh. Written by Harv
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We should be thankful that Bayoubuzz has exposed that Governor Jindal was involved in Landrieu's putting the language in the bill. I think he is a incredible coward for not standing up for Landrieu who went to bat for him. Jindal could have complained about it before the vote. Where was he, on a fundraiser? No, he wanted both sides of the apple. Let me woman be called a prostitute. Imagine if his wife was called a prostitute? He would probably want to pass some type of child molester law. Good work Bayoubuzz. Steele is an embarrassment and owes us an apology. I don't know why any person would vote GOP in Louisiana given what he said. I don't know why anyone would trust or want to work with Jindal given the fact he still shows he has no spine. Written by Evan
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"Two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right'" applies here. Yes, both Senator Landrieu and Governor Jindal want "more" money from D.C. (actually more money from citizens of 'other' states besides our own). Yes, this "practice is as American as apple pie" but that doesn't mean it is not wasteful and inefficient. One has to look no further than our national debt, our record setting deficits at the national level or any state's budget woes to see that we need to be more responsible with our tax dollars. We need to identify what we can afford based on sensible priorities instead of "the most tenured hog at the trough gets the most funding." We can do better, and soon will regret we did not; as our irresponsible ways WILL have consequences. Written by kpf
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Every senator and congressman does or at some time traded a vote. In fact it happens in the State Legislature all the time -esp. when the Governor needs to have legislators vote for his agenda. The trade-offs are not new to the political process and probably will never change.
I am more interested in how the greater public responds to the hypocritical, egotistical X.X.X.'s of Rush Limbaugh and Sean whatever his last name is for calling Senator Landrieu a prostitute. That is what we should be asking for an apology on. Both of them know that vote trade-offs happen all the time but to call a sitting FEMALE Senator from LA a prostitute for ensuring that the citizens of LA receive some additional restitution on the medicaid issue is an atrocity. Every LA citizen no matter what your party affiliation is, should stand up to these so-called media personnel and call for an apology from them to Senator Landrieu. If that doesn' happens then what do you call Gov. Jindal in this process!THINK ABOUT IT!! Written by phs51ebr
on 11/25/2009
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Recession is when your neighbor losses his job…. Depression is when you lose your job……. Recovery is when Obama and Landrieu lose their jobs. And stupid reruns are what happen if Jindal continues on in politics. Written by
on 11/25/2009
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Jimbo got it simply right. Politics is now all about "Follow the Money." Pizzolato, why is it that democrats, especially black ones, can't accept the legitimacy of a black in the Republican Party? Talk about elitist racism! But never mind, the issue here isn't the deal Mary made - although Stephen's melodramatically chivalrous defense of her is touching (I feel a sharp pain in my chest.) The issue is that she voted for cloture on a bill most of her constituents are firmly against - a vote that effectively passes the final bill, whether it includes the $300M bribe or not (watch the public outcry lead to its discard from the bill) because the bill only needs 51 votes to win. That is the travesty that every conservative will remember whenever Mary tries to do ANYTHING politically again. Written by Not a Fan
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Micheal Steele is a hypocrite and a idiot, yes idiot. He is so stupid , he does not know he is being used by the Republican Party. Do they like him? Hell no. They needed him for a little while.He will see, he will be dumped so fast, he won't be able to wink. Written by P Pizzolato
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Face it, money talks. What if every Senator did this? These are SAD times in American Politics! Written by Jimbo
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Sorry Charlie, but she is our very own Mary - Mary - quite contrary and we ain't, going to share our little bugg eyed wonder with you... That would be contrary to our nature, sharing and all that... She only works for Louisianans and you don't contribute to her paycheck, even though she can see to it that she gets a part of yours... don't ya jus luv us charlie??? Written by
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Hey, I'll help you fault the GOP chairman, the governor and anyone else if you'll get Mary to also get some of that money for Mississippi. We got 'spiked' too.
Written by Charlie Stogner
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Great points. As a loyal Republican, I am insulted by Chairman Steele. He does not care about Louisiana, only his party. Has he been to Louisiana? His comments about Katrina are horrible. I am not crazy about Landrieu's decision, but, it seems to be that she was doing what the Governor wanted, which was to help with the Medicaid problem through the the health care legislation. I also think Steele should prove his allegations. If she cannot improve the legislation, I think she should vote no when the main vote comes up for a vote and she should lobby her fellow Democrats to also vote no on the legislation until they get it right. Otherwise, her constituents like myself will vote against her in the future. Written by Jo
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