A proposal by State Representative John LaBruzzo (R-Metairie) to study the issue of sterilizing poor people as a way of combating poverty has caused an uproar. The broad outline of the plan calls for poor women to receive a $1,000 payment to have their Fallopian tubes tied and for poor men to receive $500 to have a vasectomy. LaBruzzo believes this plan would decrease the number of people receiving welfare benefits. He also noted that it will be completely voluntary. Nonetheless, just the idea of sterilization has motivated critics to cast LaBruzzo as a racist. The Metairie State Representative rejects any charge of racism noting that the plan will mostly impact white people who make up a majority of welfare recipients.
Today on the Ringside program (WGSO 990 AM 7-11 a.m.) Labruzzo highlighted his concerns about the increasing number of people receiving government benefits. LaBruzzo said that he was motivated to study this issue after seeing long lines of citizens waiting for food stamp benefits after the hurricane. The Metairie State Representative noted that many of the people in line for benefits were driving expensive cars.
There is little doubt that government spending is increasing and more people are becoming dependent on public assistance. LaBruzzo is concerned about the generational nature of welfare and the strain that it is causing on taxpayers. He believes that previous tactics have failed, which is why he wants to study sterilization.
While offering economic incentives to sterilize poor people, on the other end of the economic ladder, LaBruzzo wants to give tax incentives to richer families to have more children.
LaBruzzo will continue to study this issue for the next few months before deciding whether to introduce legislation next spring. There is little doubt that if LaBruzzo introduces this legislation it will be the most controversial measure in the legislative session.
Jeff Crouere is the Host of “Ringside Politics,” which airs at 7:30 p.m. Fri. and 10:00 p.m. Sun. on WLAE-TV 32, a PBS station, and 7 till 11 a.m. weekdays on WGSO 990 AM in New Orleans and the Northshore. He is the Political Analyst for WGNO-TV ABC26 and the Political Editor for NewOrleans.com. For more information, visit his web site at RingsidePolitics.com. E-mail him at jeff@ringsidepolitics.com.
Brilliant idea Mr. LaBruzzo! And while your at it, how about require an aptitude/IQ test for every person of the childbearing age and go ahead and sterilize all the stupid ones as well. There are just too many stupid people in the world today. Also, a major concern is how to deal with all the baby boomers retiring. As a young person, I do not think that it's very fair to not be able to have social security when I am old, so why not go ahead and kill off the old people since they will be dying soon anyways. They are worthless when they retire and are a waste of my tax dollers too. So yeah, lets get rid of all the poor people, stupid people, and old people and the world would be a better place! This is, afterall, America... duh! Written by Youthanaisia
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Personally I think we should offer this to politicians. It would be best if they didn't reproduce. Written by Sid
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This lame proposal does not go far enough. We need to offer free crack in exchange for castration. CASTRATION AND FREE CRACK WOULD LOWER THE CRIME RATE. Written by NOT FAR ENOUGH!!
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I hate to step on the Richard from Denham Springs post, he started out so well, but he sort of lost it at the end….. Anyways if you read the article you will note; “The Metairie State Representative rejects any charge of racism noting that the plan will mostly impact
white people who make up a majority of welfare recipients.”. So much for racism, I would rather examine this as a study in “realism”.. And I heartily agree with you Rhetts Wife in her nuances concerning what our politicians should, or should not be pursuing… But morals are not anything that can be legislated…. However value, which can be at the root of ‘values’ can be scrutinized, assessed, and acted upon…… Lot told his wife not to look back, she did, so there is yet another example of a pillar of salt…. In other words, valuation and effects can have multiple meanings and I subscribe to the frame of mind that funds should not be simply dolled out in a nonchalant or cavalier fashion….. One needs to contemplate the benefits for an infusion of tax dollars and how
those infusions can benefit the society as a whole who are the provider of such in the first place… Never throw sacks of gold over the walls, instead, open the gates and face the adversity head on………And I do understand your overlooking the vasectomy issue Rhett's Wife, this is a rather hot topic… and sometimes first impressions can lock a person into a box, and the blinders are deployed clouding ones line of sight, or vision… And to your credit, you had the wherewithal to return back to the article and examine its contents again…… But as far as T-duuuuuhhhhhhhhbbbbss’s spew when he wonders what someone who was obviously wayyyyyyyyyyy greater in stature than him says; “I also wonder what Winston Churchill would think about the Bible-thumping hillbillies who make up the core of the American Republican Party today?” I would suppose it may go something along the lines of one of his earlier speeches; “"We have surmounted all the perils and endured
all the agonies of the past. We shall provide against and thus prevail over the dangers and problems of the future, withhold no sacrifice, grudge no toil, seek no sordid gain, fear no foe. All will be well. We have, I believe, within us the life-strength and guiding light by which the tormented world around us may find the harbour of safety, after a storm-beaten voyage." - —Chateau Laurier, Ottawa, 9 November 1954………….. And if asked what Winston Churchill's remark about folks such as T-duhhhhhhhhhbbb would be as they do their best to quash virtuous suggestion or comments that are palatable and desired by a large percentage of the common man I would suppose it might be uttered as such; “"Be Ye Men of Valor"
"Today is Trinity Sunday. Centuries ago words were written to be a call and a spur to the faithful servants of Truth and Justice: 'Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valor, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar. As the will of God is in Heaven, even so let it be.'" - First broadcast as Prime Minister, 19 May 1940. Actually, this sterilization thing is not a moral issue, it is an issue of practicality….. And for folks out there that cannot provide for children, either intentional, or unintentional, at least they won’t have to worry about whether or not they forgot to their monthly pill…. So, no ‘accidents’ as some like to put it, and a lack in the number of abortions, hopefully….. Because children are not accidents, and fetuses are not little cancerous tumors that need to be surgically removed, or sucked out of place with a vacuum
hose… So there you go folks….
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Overpopulation is behind nearly all the planet's woes. It is the source of pollution, the degradation of the living earth through greedy mineral dumpster diving, the crowding that will always end in conflicts and the endless parsing of those populations into tribalism which must be promoted for those who truly are motivated by avarice to keep and grow their power. "Divided we fall."
This proposal will, and should, be exposed as Class arrogance masquerading as timely racism. Ironically those most likely to endorse this wicked agenda are the same dullards who were so easily duped by the cynical hypocrisy that abused their religious beliefs (beliefs the abusers couldn't possibly share) to gain power for their own selfish ends. The irony is these, taken for granted hoi polloi, sheepishly follow the dictates of their tax-free church leaders who insanely cling to the "be fruitful and multiply" chant. There goes this proposal's "base."
This stinks because the proposal would allow the well healed to pump out all the kinder they want because, we must assume, they are "special." So much for a concern over an overcrowded planet. I'm 55 years old and there are now 3 people occupying the space that one did when I was born. Were I to live to 100 there will be at least 9.
Sadly it is the ignorant who either are incapable of grasping the fact that they can't afford to take care of more hungry mouths or the absolutely slothful who can't control their urges and could care less about, not only the rest of our futures, but even of their own offsprings.
The chinese finally (but too late) moved to restrict the number of new breathers but had to get rid of these crazy bronze age religions first. I don't see where one's social status, education level or economic potential was a consideration.
Now here's some food for thought and I beg you do your own research;
Those in power have been aware of this problem and have been deciding who must go. Read the "George Bush The Unauthorized Biography," by Tarpley (whole book online) and see his (Geo the 1st's) efforts at either forced sterilization or sterilization by trickery in Africa.
AIDS was purposely developed and sold to impoverished Africans as smallpox vaccine (see the London Times May 11, 1987 or YouTube either the "Strecker Memorandum" or the video "Robert Gallo, The Man Who Created AIDS)
The same right-wing fascists decided to destroy the liberal, educated gay community in NYC by injecting the AIDS virus through a highly promoted "hepatitis D Vaccine. In both cases they figured the average, dumbed down, TV mind controlled citizen either wouldn't notice or care about "those people." Written by Richard from Denham Springs
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My dear "Tee Dub",
Mr. Churchill's attack was not a personal one ( unless you happen to take the attack personnally- then, the truth hurts!). His attack was on "leftists" in general. I don't recall his quote including vulgar terms (unless, of course, you consider the terms "leftist' or "liberal" vulgar )like the verbiage you spew when you are unable to counterpoint an argument. Written by Walker0416
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Dear Warrior Queen,
"It was during that time that I came to question whether that was in fact a good thing that they wouldn't be able to have anymore children. This is a very difficult moral issue."
The "difficult moral issue" is whether hard working taxpayers should have to finance the "cottage industry" of baby making by welfare recipients!!!!
Currently, the welfare system "rewards" recipients by providing increased income for producing additional children. These children ( we are talking about 3rd and fourth generation welfare recipients)then become welfare recipients once they reach adulthood. Whereas, most hardworking taxpayers tend to have 2.1 children ( that's a statistic, I have no idea what a .1 child is) because that's all they can afford to have!!!!!
THAT IS THE MORAL ISSUE!!!!
They don't HAVE to get their tubes tied, then again, they don't HAVE to get welfare!!!!!
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The state shouldn't be in this business. But maybe we can put some kind of radiation guns on the market, so that instead of murdering each other with 40 caliber automatics, they can just sterilize each other in their turf battles over drugs, bitches, corners, rims, etc. Or just write some hip-hop songs glorifying castration as the weapon of choice among modern day gangstas. Written by racist rabble rouser
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This is just sooo important with the state trying to recover from storms, build up flood protection, get moving with a replacement (or renovation of, like the Foundation for Historical La. study called for) for Charity Hospital, deal with insurance issues, attract and grow businesses, not to mention deal with very pressing national issues. Written by Richard P.
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Written by, dear,we must have missed that vasectomy issue. However, again Labruzzo, is being discriminatory between men and women. Even more reason to get that man out. This in reality is not an issue of sexism or racism but a sense of the reality as to what we have allowed our leaders to become. Such tactics are ridiculous when one taught morals and standards would not be found in such a state. Where are all of the religious leaders attacking Labruzzo? Time for some action by them. Written by RhettsWife
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I guess I shouldn't be shocked that even in times like these, Louisiana's ignorant politicians are once again stirring up the ignorant masses. This message plays right into the small minds of those that code the illegitimate pregnancy and poor blacks as one in the same. It's hard to tell who's more ignorant , the politician or his constituency. In time like these , where this administration and the suits on Wall Street have led us to historic economic lows, some Louisiana politician has a bigger and better agenda. And the blind mice of Louisiana fall right in line. If you want to find something that is scary, just think about this administration and the men of wall street. You know who they are? They are our most educated. They are the ones with the business degrees from the most prestigious institutions in America. Our best and brightest. Our brightest and whitest. And they couldn't see this coming. Lord help us. Maybe because we're so blinded with petty racist issues thrust on us by equally racist politicians who regard you as ignorant. And often times accordingly. No wonder they could sell the whole country down the drain. We're too busy in Louisiana paying tribute to political cartoon characters. And let's think Jeff for always helping to feed us ignorant stories. What a poor excuse for a journalist. I wish Stephen would do something about these senseless flaming articles that make Louisiana look more ignorant then it already is. Written by AL
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While I am against the Representative's plan, I have to admit he did get people talking about a problem that really needs to be addressed. Taxpayers are tired of the irresponsible behavior of people who take no personal responsibility for their actions. Men and women alike. Each of these children have a mother and a father. Where is there responsibility? The morals of our society has suffered greatly by making it possible to procreate without responsibility. I believe that if the taxpayer were responsible for only one child per mother, there would be fewer illegitimate children. One can be a mistake but 2 or more is a pattern of behavior that should be corrected and should not be rewarded. How many of us know generations in one family of unwed mothers with 2 or more children each? Something is wrong there. Society should be encouraging education, work, and marriage. A good home with 2 parents for every child. That is the only way to break the cycle of poverty. There is no easy way. Entitlement programs have eroded the family throughout our country. Until all are held to a higher moral stand and this will continue. Written by Sharon
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Ah, Walker IQ 46, so good to have you back! I love how you gripe about my (and other liberals') personal attacks, then proceed to include a quote that disparages liberals. Cute. I also wonder what Winston Churchill would think about the Bible-thumping hillbillies who make up the core of the American Republican Party today? TW Written by Tee Dub
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Tee-duhhhhhhhhbbbbbb, you are free to be your own monkey, I never implied that I wanted to adopt you in the first place......... Spell the word "doctoral”? For sooth thou sayeth? Doth thou figurant in erroneous fashion perhaps me frothy Ichibod? And the word you are struggling for is schismatic, not schizoid you bungling boob…….. But you are worried that a group of someone’s in D.C are contemplating STRONGCONCRTE now aren’t you? Ahhhhh yes me shadowy little sower of discontent…… And there are no fears of ‘people’ out to destroy my company………. I am totally confident in my position, my accomplishments, and I am entirely comfortable when addressing shills such as yourself…… Because I find you to be very unscientific, as well as highly emotional, steeped in loathing hostility. Those are the distinct signs of a Type A personality and you do appear anal retentive…. You are way too easy….. and I have to agree with Walker0416 analysis of your ilk…. My how you shrink or I should say, attempt to slink away when exposed to the light which illuminates your steadfast lack of virtues, or value……… So save your hugs and kisses for your banana there monkey boy, I ain’t biting on it……… And don’t forget, you can’t compete against strongconcrete…… And so, Ta-ta to you there T-tee……. Written by
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Ok, we can't call it 'black' values, since so many readers are afraid of the truth, so we'll call them 'white folk' values just to play the idiotic game of not calling a spade a spade.
YOU HAVE A WHOLE 'white' VALUE SYSTEM BASED ON GETTING OVER, HIGH CRIME RATES, GETTING HANDOUTS, AND PUTTING OUT MORE PEOPLE WITH THOSE PATHETIC VALUES TO CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR THOSE LEADERS WHO CONTINUE TO FEED THESE VALUES. MORE KIDS, MORE MONEY.
What we need are leaders who support 'black' values of low crime rates, having children they can afford, supporting themselves, and not asking for handouts. People who don't irresponsibly have kids and people WHO SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO BE STERILIZED. Written by SECTION 8, welfare values
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Interesting subject, and I wasn't so sure how I felt when I first heard about this today. I formally worked in what a hospital in New Orleans, and witnessed first hand the actions of an unscroupulous physician who had a large medicaid practice. He told the welfare moms that he could reverse their sterilizations for them so they could have more children. In fact, he was lying to get paid, and the administrator and medical staff officers were aware of the fact that the doc was simply opening the ladies up and laying the fallopian tubes on the uterus and not even bothering to sewing them down. Staff complained, but nothing was done. Also, this was before people could anonymously make those calls to the medical boards and accreditation agencies. It was during that time that I came to question whether that was in fact a good thing that they wouldn't be able to have anymore children. This is a very difficult moral issue. While I am against government mandating sterilization for anyone, I can see the value in limiting the number of children born to unwed mothers regardless of economic status. I don't know that poor women necessarily choose to have more children to get more money, as is popularly believed by people. I think it may be a good idea to give women and men the option to have sterilizations for free, and if they meet a certain economic level, then why not offer them financial incentive - equal money for both men and women. I think that the citizens need to demand reform of the current practices in place that allow families to receive welfare, Section 8 and food stamps without working. To not be required to hold some sort of work, even if just for 4 - 5 hours per day for those with young children who want to be able to take their kids to school and pick them up, is a great failure of the social welfare programs, and of the society at large. We are all responsible for allowing these detrimental and costly systems to exist, and instead of just sitting back and complaining about "those people" on blogs,we need to take concrete action by complaining to legislators and heads of those programs and demanding change. I have, and I challenge you to do the same. Written by Warrior Queen
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Concrete, I have no intention of being your monkey. I will not answer your stupid schizoid questions, and I am not at all impressed with your "intellectual" posturing. You are not right in the head, Ace. I offer as evidence the following: 1) you maintain that "StrongConcrete" is being discussed in the halls of power; 2) you maintain that you have multiple Ph.D. degrees even though you cannot spell the word "doctoral;" 3) you are convinced that people are out to get you and to destroy your company. I could go on and on, but I have work to do - oh, but I might mention that today you have discovered your inner Tom Cruise and have informed me that there is no such thing as "schizophrenia" - an ironic position for you to take, to say the least. You are obviously mentally ill, so perhaps a bigger, better person than I wouldn't say this, but you are an extraordinarily unpleasant and repugnant person. Though I will be loathe to do it, as you are so often an easy target, I am going to ignore you from now on. Perhaps it will be better that way? Hugs and Kisses, signing off... Tee Duhhhhhhhhhbbbbbb Written by Tee Dub
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Dear written by . . .,
Why do you continue to waste your energy arguing with "TeeDub"?
It is apparent by the way he resorts to personal attacks ( most liberals do) that he is unable to counterpoint in an intelligent manner. In addition to sterilizing those who "choose" to belong to the welfare culture and continue to create more and more "welfare-babies", I propose we also DRUG TEST them. If they don't pass they don't get the welfare check. Of course there will be an uproar, those living on the "gravy train" will want to continue there. Those politicians enabling them for political gain will resist too, not to mention "fine chaps' such as "Tee Dub".
As for "Tee Dub", Winston Churchill described his type to a "TEE" (no pun intended).
On leftists:
"They are the most disagreeable of people...Their insincerity? Can you not feel a sense of disgust at the arrogant presumption of superiority of these people? Superiority of intellect! Then, when it comes to practice, down they fall with a wallop not only to the level of ordinary human beings but to a level which is even far below the average."
Winston Churchill
Written by Walker0416
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Ohhhh, by the way T-duuuuuhhhhbbb,, I'm trying to develop the critical dynamics of a closed system to find the particular timing that would be appropriate to stem the acceleration of checksum errors in risk premium form documents created by falling income level reference points without prematurely aborting the decline in inflation-generated premiums. As we all know one of the most fundamental and crucial tasks in form document analysis is the extraction of segmented sample form images using high speed multi lattice coding algorithms. However every time I extract the form image in terms of a subset of the wavelet coefficients of the image, sub image reference lines (which are contained in almost all form documents) skew the final results. I tried the strip growth method, which we all know is the most efficient methodology for high speed image processing, and then constructed a nonparametric computer model using multiresolution wavelet sub images with adjustable external parameters set to the resolution of the analysis and the the invariant convergence shift of the recursive mean reference lines accepted as input, but the extraction of the feature statistics reference lines from the form documents with complicated backgrounds was impossible, presumably because the nearest stationary points of the underlying density function led to the critical exponent z = 2:05 and appeared to the model as perceptual grouping instead of view-based pattern recognition. Any suggestions for a crossover scenario would be greatly appreciated! Thanks dude................ Written by
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And "Use a hacksaw and no anesthesia"? You are one tough character there RW.... But couldn't you at least avail the poor hapless man a bottle of maddog 20/20 to help him through that type of a horrendous event??? shuddddeerrrrrrrr..... Written by
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And Rhetts Wife, why the outrage? The study was also aimed at looking into the merits for poor men to receive $500 to have a vasectomy as well... You should be a big LaBruzzo fan, he included some of your wishes in his processes..... Written by
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You know folks, if some of those Corp of Engineers studies, and CWPPRA funded studies caused this much uproar, there might be a STRONGCONCRETE chance of something positive getting done....... What a bunch of crazies!!! Oh well, let me go back to studying the Buzz Boards, yawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn, it's a rough job but someone has to do it...... Written by
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It is about time that you got this up on the Buzz, Jeff, dear. We were up early this morning and posted at our forum site the following: RECALL THE SEXIST PIG LA BRUZZO Well, dears, our dander is up this morning and so is that of my darling Rhett. That character out in Jefferson, La Bruzzo, who claims to represent the people by voting for a raise for himself now wants to spend the taxpayer's money to have poor women's tubes tied. What about cutting off the equipment of the men who sire those illegitimate children, yes illlegitimate? Use a hacksaw and no anesthesia. Why, because, you can bet your last bucks those guys come for their cut of the money when it arrives from the government. Time to teach those girls to keep their legs together and the young men to keep their pants zipped. Time to start enforcing standards and morals, dears. TEACH BY WORD AND EXAMPLE NOT BY GUARANTEEING PAYMENT FOR EACH CHILD. By the way, La Bruzzo, it is not just the poor that have those illegitimate children. Many a wealthy bride was carefully swathed in a wedding gown to hide the fact of her pregnancy. Start spending the taxpayers' monies more carefully. You will not make the next election, dear. Our signs are already to go up. CUT OFF LA BRUZZO FROM THE PUBLIC DOLE!!!!!!
http://rhettswife.createforum.net/phpbb2/rhettswife-about303.html
We may be a bit too earthy for the Buzz in our wording, but frankly, dears we are getting sick and tired of the women bearing all of the blame and we are sick and tired of the continuing rising rate of illegitimacy, which crosses are racial, social, and economic lines. Written by RhettsWife
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Now if you want my opinion on abortion, I am against it... Children going hungry and/or being abused or subjected to uncivilized treatment? I am against it.... Women running around breeding just to up their welfare check amounts, I am against it.... Or women that hook up with a crack head or meth user in anticipation of her husband eventually succuming to a heart attack, and cranking out babies for as long as his ticker will hold out in order to increase social security checks? I am against it.... (And there are a lot more of those kind than you can even begin to imagine)............. So what is your delusion T-duuuhhhhhbbbbbb, and Sid, I like your references on occaison, what would be the reason for bringing up 1984? In that book Big Brother controlled whether a person could have children or not, via a sex license? And China, in an attempt to reduce population values restricted its citizensip for having over a certain number of babies for a while there. I do not know if it is still in force, but consider 3.5 billion starving people over there if crops fail..... Yeah buddy, things are getting a little complicated now aren't they.... Oh, I suppose the Chinese restricting birth rates among couples is another urban myth there isn't it T-duhhhhhhhbbbbbb..... My apologies for being an "pseudointellectual undereducated shill", but I will put up my multiple Ph.D's. to your single paltry "what ever, I don't know, perhaps it is the box top cut off a box of Cocoa Puffs" any old day... Sigma Phi guy..... Written by
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Very familiar with George Orwells works.... I prefered animal farm though, which is loosly the philosophy that T-duhhhhhhb seems to subscribe to...... Written by
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Compulsory sterilization? You still trying to flog farts out of that feature there T-duhhhhhhhhbbbbbbb..????? Compulsory law and legal definition; Compulsory means something that is mandatory, rather than optional. For example, Florida has a compulsory school attendance law that states that all children who are either six years of age, who will be six years old by February 1 of any school year, or who are older than six years of age but who have not attained the age of 16 years, must attend school regularly during the entire school term. A student who attains the age of 16 years during the school year is not subject to compulsory attendance beyond the date of which the student attains that age if he/she files a formal declaration of intent to terminate school enrollment with the school district. Or are you trying to say there is some kind of sinister Nazi type plot afoot? (I done told you that you wuz paranoid.) Now for the punch line, I wrote it, KPF wrote it, it is out there to see, “Holy sh!t! You mean that some poor woman is going to give up the opportunity to get knocked up and obtain an abortion at the expense of the taxpayer!!!!!!!” Tell me T-duhhhhhhhhbbbbbb,, what is your position on the chemical castration of pedophiles???? Think of the plight of all those poor little spermatozoa that never get a chance to evolve and serve their full potential!!!!!!! Compulsory you say? I believe the valuation was $1000.00 and it was up to the individual to decide what it’s priorities in life are……. You crack me up dude…. Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!! Man, there are so many Woody Allen (no pun intended) skits that could be done on that scenario…………… Wait, I think he did a lame one in the 60’s didn’t he.. Oh well, I suppose it is the 60’s revisited.. In fact, this ought to absolutely thrill the feminist movement!!!! Now they don’t have to worry about the sponge, or the pill, or the diaphragm, or rubbers, or the hassle of going and getting an abortion or any of that stuff!!!!!! Written by
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TW, the proposal is not "compulsory" - therefore both your fear and revulsion are unfounded. BigD, "accountability" is EXACTLY what "social safety nets" and "bailouts" prevent. Without these safeguards people would alter their behavior (not make questionable loans, not have children they cannot afford, etc.). The quandary is "how do we promote responsible behavior without being heartless and letting people suffer the consequences of their actions" - I do not have the answer but as with most human endeavors a "balance" should be strived for. Unfortunately we have some in our government who desire to have poor, inadequately uneducated masses that are dependant upon government as the votes of these dependents is the source of their power Written by kpf
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There are many ways to look at this none of which are acceptable to the general population. The truth is that there is a problem when generation after generation of familes have existed solely on public assistance. Race is a cover-up used to avoid accountability. If each person were accountable for their own actions then we would not have this discussion. It does not matter is they or white, black or purple.
If you are capable of having a child then you must be accountable for raising that child. The problem is that our society cannot turn their backs on children even if they are the product of a person that refuses to be responsible for the actions that created that child.
There is no easy answer and no socially acceptable way to avoid this from being repeated again and again. The truth is that to teach someone a lesson you must present rewards for good behavior and penalties for bad behavior. Having a child that must be raised by the state is not looked upon as bad behavior so no program will correct it.
Paying someone to have their tubes tied is a joke - almost as bad as making tax breaks for people to have more children. If I had the answer to the problem of accountability I would apply it those in this situation right after I apply it to the next CEO who made millions by screwing up a corporation at the expense of the stockholders. If the most affluent cannot be trusted to be accountable then how can we expect the least affluent to be accountable.
Change our ethics and hopefully social change will follow. The country was built on capitalism where hard work was rewarded. Social programs were designed to supplement those that could not survive in this society through hard work - they were not ment to replace it. Take the millions and millions from those that got it unethically and fund the social programs for only those that work. Then the system will work better. Written by BigD
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization Written by Tee Dub
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That's the punch line to the joke there KPF...... Hilarious but sad now isn't it??? Written by
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On the other hand... I for one do support taxpayer paid abortions. If "Mama" doesn't want the baby, it is less "out-of-pocket" to provide her an abortion than to provide her with AFDC payments for 18 years. Her choice mind you. Surely all good liberals support a woman's "right to choose." Written by kpf
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But I am still waiting for a cognitive answer to the question where I asked; What do you want to see, Billions blown on inefficient protection mediums for coastal Louisiana, or cost effective and prudent installations that would avail surplus funds that can be directed towards the root causes of poverty, as in lower cost housing too??? Written by
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And in as far as your knowledge of history, well, let me just say you are somewhat lacking… Especially when you announce; “Second, if you had any knowledge of history you would know that "undesirables" were not only sterilized in Nazi Germany,……………………….” You see my little talking head you, Nazi Germany was especially noted for terminating the lives of undesirables, particularly through gassing processes being as it was considered to be so much more an efficient means of mass execution than the firing line…. And the second part to the equation was cremation, it was much more efficient than mass burials, which were also conducted……. And now for the crux of this…. The article has nothing to do with ‘forced sterilization’ I believe $1,000.oo was the carrot offered….. And to some that sit around watching game shows all day long while smoking crack, well,, THE PRICE MIGHT BE RIGHT!!!! T-duuuuuhhhhhhb,,,, you seem to display acute paranoid antisocial tendencies…. While at the same time ‘professing’ socialistic concepts in your espousals, which perhaps is an indicator that you may certainly be delusional as well, which of course often accompanies the paranoid mindset……. I think you perhaps need to seek professional help….. Written by
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Poor-poor-poor delusional T-Duuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhbbbbbb………….. There is no such thing as a schizophrenic…… What a moron……………….. If you had any true education or knowledge of psychology, you would know that………… And your philosophies on society and economics are equally as moronic attesting to the fact that you know nothing of any practicality in those fields either……… Once again I have posed a question which you find yourself unable to answer… And I am not worried that you cannot come up with where Spunkie will get his money, now the new question is; “What do you want to see, Billions blown on inefficient protection mediums for coastal Louisiana, or cost effective and prudent installations that would avail surplus funds that can be directed towards the root causes of poverty, as in lower cost housing too???” What a freshman putz………… But you might be a great talk show host, sort of like the newscaster turned know it all celebrity Oprah Winfrey, or how about Dr. Phil? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!! You sir, are a blight to the practical sensibilities of a free thinking society……. Or better yet, you are an urban legend in your own mind……………. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!! Written by
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Listen, dimwit - your Kenya story is an urban legend - it's pure b.s., you pseudointellectual undereducated shill. Second, if you had any knowledge of history you would know that "undesirables" were not only sterilized in Nazi Germany, but forced sterilizations took place in this country, too, in the first half of the twentieth century. You, in particular, should be careful about your position on this, since schizophrenics were among those sterilized. TW Written by Tee Dub
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Well T-duuuuuhhhhhhhbbbb, Germany in 1935? Hardly, but I have to admit this sounds a lot better than Kenya in 2008 now doesn't it? So tell me my lathering little bubbler? What do you want to see, Billions blown on inefficient protection mediums for coastal Louisiana, or cost effective and prudent installations that would avail surplus funds that can be directed towards the root causes of poverty, as in lower cost housing too??? You are so confused it is unreal.............. Written by
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This is a very sad and sensitive subject..... Almost of the same caliber when discussing the issue of pedophiles….. It is a blight on society that is difficult to provide a 100% fool proof answer for….. When utilizing logic, the answer is seemingly yes. When using compassion the answer is a resounding no... The mind or the heart? I would suppose each time we act upon urges of the heart we are in danger of being a little less human, and therefore a little more out of touch with the very reason for living.... So a compromise....... That is what logic seems to dictate...... And it would be an effective mandate... What makes a person an unfit mother? In Kenya for instance, if a child takes sick, or it cannot be fed it is not uncommon for the mother to put the child beneath a bush in order for a lion to carry it off in the night (or a hyena, or jackal, etc.) That is unsatisfactory when it comes to civilized behavior.... And we then digress back into a state of being animals ourselves.... But that is a common in other lands….. The poor.... In America? Unfortunate circumstances that brought that blight to its doorstep? Or just being a useless user? Fair chances, fair play? I think that Louisiana is on the right track fining parents when their children are not attending school... I would like to see jail time for habitual offenders.... To take the child from its home? I don't know, maybe good in some instances, maybe bad...... Poor, hmmmmm.... poverty... drugs, crime, ignorance, stupidity, empty bellies, no proper guidance or preparation for the future, no savings, unclean homes, violent behavior,,,,,, And how dare a person suggest something that takes away that woman’s ability to get pregnant so she can have an abortion!!!!!! Ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!! I have to say, as warped as it is, if the person is so superficial that it would consider $1000.00 as being a reason to get its tubes tied then it probably is a good attestiment as to what that persons capacity to want, let alone love and provide for a child’s welfare and future is… And I don’t think this is a welfare issue, it is a societal issue………. It’s a free country, if the woman wants to get her tubes tied, well then, go ahead and do so…….. But you know something, I think that says something about our society at large….. Why poverty? Why aren’t there affordable homes available… like when the G.I.s returned home after W.W.II? And why can’t these people draw a living sweeping streets, or washing windows, or mowing lawns, or painting fences, or weeding gardens, or sewing clothes, or ironing, or any number of things???? What is the definition of poverty, or being poor, or ‘underfunded’ or ‘underprivledged’? Having babies is not a right, it is a responsibility…. Sure, why not? If they can issue Viagra to Medicare recipients, why not offer tube tying procedures to women… And in the future, much like a reverse vasectomy, if one is desired, they can have their tubes returned to normalcy…… Patients often ask whether burned tubes can be repaired. In most cases, monopolar electrocoagulation sterilization procedures can be reversed. The success of reversal is dependent on the amount of fallopian tube that has been damaged by the electrocautery. This information is usually available in the tubal ligation operative report. When in doubt, a screening laparoscopy can be performed. So, I would suppose that a person should be very careful when selecting the procedure to be performed….. Yeah, I’m good with it…. Written by
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This is absolutely outrageous, and it shocks the conscience that someone could be making this heinous argument in 2008! I thought poboy1 was voicing a crazy minority when he said something similar a couple of months ago, but now an elected official says it??? This is madness - it's like living in Germany in 1935! I, for one, will do everything I can to ensure that LaBruzzo is sent packing as soon as possible. He is clearly not suited for public service. TW Written by Tee Dub
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A proposal by State Representative John LaBruzzo (R-Metairie) to study the issue of sterilizing poor people as a way of combating poverty has caused an uproar. The broad outline of the plan calls for poor women to receive a $1,000 payment to have their Fallopian tubes tied and for poor men to receive $500 to have a vasectomy. LaBruzzo believes this plan would decrease the number of people receiving welfare benefits. He also noted that it will be completely voluntary. Nonetheless, just the idea of sterilization has motivated critics to cast LaBruzzo as a racist. The Metairie State Representative rejects any charge of racism noting that the plan will mostly impact white people who make up a majority of welfare recipients. 
