Dardene, Missouri--When Dardenne Prairie Missouri Board of Alderman decided to make online harassment a crime, they have hit on a matter that needs not city, nor state but federal attention.But, it won’t do the trick.
The city law passed after a 13-year-old girl committed suicide after receiving harrassing messages on a social networking website.
The young girl’s had befriended a person she thought was a boy but turned out to be the mother of an associate.The mother then made what appears to be mean comments hurting the girl which resulted in her suicide.
There are limits to free speech on the Internet and harassment can take many forms such as online bullying, anonymously posting information on forums and even posting sexual inuendos on popular boards.
The harassment can occur in many ways, and cities and states can create all forms of legislation, but, due to a variety of legal reasons, the only way this type of harmful behavior will stop is when the federal government gets involved.However, the federal government needs more legal authority to deal with these types of behaviors when the activity is really and obviously criminal in nature.
Yes, there will always be the argument of “free speech versus harassment”, but after a while, when the victim is a private citizen or wants to be left alone, one can see and smell harassment.It has a foul online odor and it looks horrible.
The court would ultimately decide the issue as each matter would be one that is case by case in nature.Cities and states can pass ordinances and laws which can be helpful, but, the behavior is nationally endemic as sometimes requires a federal response.
In addition, there are often jurisdiction issue which legally mandates federal engagement.
While legislating the Internet is always a dangerous endeavor and online harassment and abuse instead should be handled with technology remedies in almost all cases, sometimes the results can be very unfortunate unless the feds get involved.There are more incidents of online harassment and when the case is very clear, the federal action becomes the only game in town.
I happen to know for a fact that Otto von Stülpnagel was framed.... FRAMED I tell ya (he was just "following orders"). Written by dis i no
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That was interesting Kp, but what if turns out that we only have 'nutcases' that are doing the investigating? Oh say it isn't so Oberkommando des Heeres, Ahhh, a government of the people by the people and for the people, just imagine that: • Gunter d'Alquen - Chief Editor of the SS official newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps ("The Black Corps"), and commander of the SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers.
• Ludolf von Alvensleben - commander of the SS and police in Crimea and commander of the Selbstschutz (self-defense) of the Reichsgau Danzig-West Prussia.
• Max Amann - Head of Nazi publishing house Eher-Verlag
• Benno von Arent - Responsible for art, theatres, and movies in the Third Reich.
• Heinz Auerswald - Commissioner for the Jewish residential district in Warsaw from April 1941 to November 1942.
• Hans Aumeier - deputy commandant at Auschwitz
• Artur Axmann - Chief of the Social Office of the Reich Youth Leadership. Responsible for organization and activities of the Hitler Youth
• Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski - Commander of the "Bandenkämpfverbände" SS units responsible for the mass murder of 35,000 civilians in Riga and more than 200,000 in Belarus and eastern Poland.
• Herbert Backe - Minister of Food (appointed 1942) and Minister of Agriculture (appointed 1943).
• Richard Baer - Commander of the Auschwitz I concentration camp from May 1944 to February 1945.
• Alfred Baeumler - Philosopher who interpreted the works of Friedrich Nietzsche in order to legitimize Nazism.
• Klaus Barbie - Head of the Gestapo in Lyon. Nicknamed "the Butcher of Lyon" for his use of torture on prisoners.
• Ludwig Beilschmidt - The Nation of Germany, an unwilling confederate and bystander as well as host to Nazi crimes.
• Gottlob Berger - Chief of Staff for military SS and head of the SS's main leadership office.
• Werner Best - Civilian administrator of Nazi occupied France and Denmark.
• Hans Biebow - Chief of Administration of the Łódź Ghetto.
• Paul Blobel - SS commander primarily responsible for the Babi Yar massacre at Kiev.
• Werner von Blomberg - General Field Marshall of German army between 1936 and 1938.
• Hans-Friedrich Blunck - Propagandist and head of the Reich Literature Chamber between 1933 and 1935.
• Ernst Boepple - State Secretary of the General Government in Poland, serving as deputy to Deputy Governor Josef Bühler. Deeply implicated in the "Final Solution"
• Ernst Wilhelm Bohle - leader of the Foreign Organization of the German Nazi Party from 1933 until 1945.
• Martin Bormann - Head of the Party Chancellery (Parteikanzlei) and private secretary to Adolf Hitler.
• Philipp Bouhler - Leader of the Action T4 euthanasia program.
• Viktor Brack - Organiser of the Euthanasia Programme, Operation T4 and one of the men responsible for the gassing of Jews in the extermination camps.
• Otto Bradfisch - Commander of the Security Police in Łódź and Potsdam.
• Karl Brandt - Personal physician of Adolf Hitler in August 1944 and headed the administration of the Nazi euthanasia program from 1939.
• Walther von Brauchitsch - Commander of the German Army during the invasion of the Soviet Union.
• Alois Brunner - Commander of the Drancy internment camp outside Paris from June 1943 to August 1944. Reportedly "the world's highest-ranking Nazi fugitive believed still alive."[1]
• Walter Buch - Jurist and supreme magistrate of the Nazi party.
• Josef Bühler - State secretary for the Nazi-controlled General Government in Kraków during World War II.
• Josef Bürckel - Politician and leading member of the Schutzstaffel from November 1937.
• Anton Burger - Commandant of Concentration camp Theresienstadt between 1943 and 1944.
• Werner Catel - Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry at the University of Leipzig, considered an expert on the programme of euthanasia for children and participated in the T-4 Program.
• Carl Clauberg - Doctor who conducted medical experiments on human beings in Nazi concentration camps during World War II.
• Leonardo Conti - Head of the Reich Physicians' Chamber (Reichsärztekammer) and leader of the National Socialist German Doctors' League (Nationalsozialistischer Deutscher Ärztebund or NSDÄB).
• Kurt Daluege - Responsible for the personal protection of Hitler and other party leaders. Also commanded the Ordnungspolizei throughout World War II and served as the Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia following the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich.
• Richard Walther Darré - Minister of Food and Agriculture from 1933 to 1942.
• Rudolf Diels
• Josef "Sepp" Dietrich - General of the Waffen-SS
• Otto Dietrich - Press Chief of the Third Reich.
• Oskar Dirlewanger - Commanded the infamous SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger unit made out of amnestied Germans convicted of major crimes.
• Anton Drexler - Politician and member of the Nazi party through the 1920s. Responsible for changing the name of the Party to the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) early in 1920.
• Irmfried Eberl - Commandant of Treblinka, July to September 1942.
• Dietrich Eckart - Important early member of the National-Socialist German Workers' Party and a participant of the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch.
• Adolf Eichmann - Official in charge of the facilitation and transportation of the Jews to ghettos and extermination camps.
• Theodor Eicke - Leading figure in the establishment of concentration camps.
• August Eigruber - Gauleiter of Oberdonau (Upper Danube) and Landeshauptmann of Upper Austria
• Hermann Esser - Propagandist and editor of Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter.
• Richard Euringer - Writer who selected 18,000 "unsuitable" books which did not conform to Nazi ideology and were publicly burned.
• Franz Ritter von Epp - General of the German army.
• Gottfried Feder - Economic theorist and one of the early leaders of the NSDAP.
• Karl Fiehler - Lord Mayor of Munich from 1933 until 1945.
• Albert Forster - Politician and governor of the province Danzig-West Prussia from 1939-1945
• Hans Frank - Governor-General of occupied Poland and involved in perpetration of the Holocaust.
• Karl Hermann Frank - SS-Obergruppenführer and prominent Sudeten-German Nazi official in Czechoslovakia prior to and during World War II.
• Roland Freisler - State Secretary of Adolf Hitler's Reich Ministry of Justice and President of the Volksgerichtshof.
• Wilhelm Frick - Minister without Portfolio until August 1943, later appointed to the ceremonial post of Protector of Bohemia and Moravia.
• Hans Fritzsche - Senior official at the Ministry for Propaganda.
• Walther Funk - Minister for Economic Affairs from 1937 to 1945.
• Karl Gebhardt - Personal physician of Heinrich Himmler and one of the main perpetrators of surgical experiments performed on inmates of the concentration camps at Ravensbrück and Auschwitz.
• Achim Gercke - Expert of racial matters at the Ministry of the Interior. Devised the system of "racial prophylaxis" forbidding the intermarriage between Jews and Aryans.
• Kurt Gerstein - Hygiene expert in the Waffen-SS. Author of the Gerstein Report about the Holocaust.
• Herbert Otto Gille
• Odilo Globocnik - Prominent party member and SS officer.
• Richard Glücks - SS officer and inspector of concentration camps.
• Joseph Goebbels - Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda throughout the third Reich and World War II.
• Hermann Göring - Second in Command of the Third Reich and commander of the Luftwaffe.
• Amon Göth - Commandant of the Nazi concentration camp at Płaszów, Poland.
• Robert Ritter von Greim - Luftwaffe officer, succeeded Hermann Göring as head of the Luftwaffe in the last days of World War II.
• Arthur Greiser - Chief of Civil Administration and Gauleiter in the military district of Greater Poland.
• Walter Groß - Head of the Racial Policy office. Implicated in the Final Solution.
• Kurt Gruber - First chairman of the Hitler Youth (1926-1931).
• Hans Friedrich Karl Günther - Academic teaching racial theories and eugenics.
• Franz Gürtner - Minister of Justice responsible for co-ordinating jurisprudence in the Third Reich.
• Eugen Hadamovsky - National programming director for German radio and chief of staff in the Nazi Party's Central Propaganda Office (Reichspropagandaleitung) in Berlin from 1942-1944.
• Ernst Hanfstaengl - Confidante and early supporter of Adolf Hitler.
• Karl Hanke - Governor and Gauleiter of Lower Silesia from 1940 to 1945.
• Fritz Hartjenstein - Concentration camp commandant at Birkenau, Natzweiler and Flossenbürg.
• Paul Hausser - Prominent leader of the Waffen-SS.
• Franz Hayler - State Secretary and acting Reich Economics Minister during the latter part of World War II.
• August Heißmeyer - Leading member of the SS.
• Rudolf Hess (not to be confused with Rudolf Höß) - Hitler's deputy until his flight to Scotland on the eve of war with the Soviet Union
• Walther Hewel - Diplomat and personal friend of Hitler.
• Werner Heyde - Psychiatrist and one of the main organizers of the T-4 Euthanasia Program.
• Reinhard Heydrich - Chief of the Reich Security Main Office, including the Gestapo, SD and Kripo Nazi police agencies.
• Konstantin Hierl - Head of the Reichsarbeitsdienst and an associate of Adolf Hitler before he came to power.
• Erich Hilgenfeldt - Head of the Nazi's Office For People's Welfare.
• Heinrich Himmler - Commander of the SS and one of the most powerful men in the Third Reich.
• Hans Hinkel Journalist and commissioner at the Reich Ministry for the People's Enlightenment and Propaganda.
• August Hirt - Chairman at the Reich University in Strasbourg during World War II.
• Adolf Hitler - Leader of the Nazi Party and commander of the Third Reich.
• Hermann Höfle - Deputy to Odilo Globocnik in the Aktion Reinhard program. Played a key role in the "Harvest Festival" massacre of Jewish inmates of the various labour camps in the Lublin district in early November 1943.
• Rudolf Höß (not to be confused with Rudolf Hess) - Commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp.
• Franz Hofer - Gauleiter of the Tyrol and Vorarlberg regions.
• Adolf Hühnlein - Korpsführer (Corps Leader) of the National Socialist Motor Corps (NSKK), from 1934 until his death in 1942.
• Karl Jäger - Army officer and author of the "Jäger Report" detailing reports of mass murder in Lithuania between July and December 1941.
• Friedrich Jeckeln - Leader of one of the largest collection of Einsatzgruppen and personally responsible for ordering the deaths of over 100,000 Jews, Slavs, Roma, and other "undesirables."
• Alfred Jodl - Chief of the Operations Staff of the Armed Forces High Command (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, or OKW) during World War II, acting as deputy to Wilhelm Keitel.
• Hanns Johst - Playwright and Poet Laureate of the Nazi party.
• Hans Jüttner - Head of the SS's Main Leadership Office and also an SS Obergruppenführer.
• Rudolf Jung - An instrumental force and agitator of German-Czech National Socialism and, later on, a member of the German Nazi Party.
• Ernst Kaltenbrunner - Director of the RSHA (Reich Security Main Office) division of the SS from 1942 to the end of World War II.
• Hans Kammler- SS Construction projects and V-2 program
• Siegfried Kasche - German Minister Plenipotentiary to their ally the Independent State of Croatia.
• Emil Kaschub - Doctor who conducted experiments on Nazi concentration camp prisoners.
• Karl Kaufmann - Founding member of the Nazi party and Gauleiter of Hamburg.
• Wilhelm Keitel - Field marshal (Generalfeldmarschall) and senior military leader during World War II.
• Hanns Kerrl - Reichsminister of Church Affairs for the Third Reich.
• Dietrich Klagges - Premier of the Duchy of Brunswick between 1933 and 1945.
• Matthias Kleinheisterkamp
• Helmut Knochen - Senior commander of the Sicherheitspolizei (Security Police) in Paris during the Nazi occupation of France.
• Erich Koch - Gauleiter of the NSDAP in East Prussia from 1928 until 1945, and Reichskomissar in Ukraine from 1941 until 1944.
• Ilse Koch - Wife of Karl Koch. Infamous for taking tattooed skin from murdered prisoners as souvenirs.
• Karl Otto Koch - Commandant of the Nazi concentration camp at Buchenwald (from 1937 to 1941), and later at Lublin (Majdanek camp).
• Max Koegel - Concentration camp commender at Majdanek and Flossenbürg.
• Josef Kramer - Commandant of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.
• Bernhard Krüger - Leader of the VI F 4a Unit in the Reichssicherheitshauptamt responsible for, among other things, falsifying passports and documents.
• Friedrich Wilhelm Krüger - High-ranking member of the SA and SS.
• Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach - Ran the Friedrich Krupp AG heavy industry conglomerate from 1909 until 1941 and financier of the Nazi party. Succeeded by his son Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach
• Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach -member of Freundeskreis der Wirtschaft; Colonel In NSDAP Flying Corps; ran the Friedrich Krupp AG heavy industry conglomerate from 1943 to 1945 and from 1951 to 1967
• Hans Lammers - Head of the Reich Chancellery.
• Herbert Lange - SS officer and commandant of Chełmno extermination camp, where he was implicated in thousands of gassings. Also led the execution of 1,558 mental patients at the Soldau concentration camp.
• Robert Ley - Head of the German Labour Front from 1933 to 1945.
• Arthur Liebehenschel - Commandant of Auschwitz and Majdanek death camps during World War II.
• Julius Lippert - Nazi activist and propaganda official.
• Wilhelm Loeper - Gauleiter in the Gau of Magdeburg-Anhalt.
• Hinrich Lohse - Gauleiter for Schleswig-Holstein and Reich Commissar for the Ostland.
• Werner Lorenz - Waffen-SS general and a leader of the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle, an organization charged with settling ethnic Germans in the Reich from other parts of Europe.
• Hanns Ludin - Diplomat and ambassador to Slovakia.
• Martin Luther - advisor to Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, and participant in the infamous Wannsee Conference.
• Viktor Lutze - SA officer and important participant in the Night of the Long Knives.
• Emil Maurice - Personal friend of Hitler and one of the founding members of the SS.
• Josef Mengele - SS officer and physician in the concentration camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
• Alfred Meyer - Deputy Reichsminister in the Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories
• Kurt Meyer - Waffen-SS officer noted for his command of various tank and artillery divisions.
• Wilhelm Mohnke - Founder member of the SS-Staff Guard and one of Hitler's last remaining generals.
• Hermann Muhs - Minister responsible for church and religious affairs.
• Heinrich Müller - Head of the Gestapo and one of the leading planners of the Holocaust.
• Alfred Naujoks - SS-Sturmbannführer and leader of the attack on the Gleiwitz radio station on the eve of WWII.
• Arthur Nebe - Berlin Police Commissioner in the 1920s and an early member of both the Sturmabteilung (SA) and the Schutzstaffel (SS), as well as President of Interpol.
• Konstantin von Neurath - Foreign Minister of Germany (1932-1938) and Reichsprotektor (Governor) of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939-1941).
• Hans Nieland - Lord Mayor of Dresden from 1940 until 1945.
• Herta Oberheuser - Doctor at the Ravensbrück concentration camp from 1940 until 1943. Was the only female defendant in the Nuremberg Medical Trial.
• Otto Ohlendorf - SS-Gruppenführer and head of the interior division of the SD.
• Artur Phleps
• Paul Pleiger - State adviser and corporate general director.
• Oswald Pohl - Organized and administrator of the concentration camps.
• Franz von Pfeffer - First commander of the SA before his firing in 1930.
• Erich Priebke - Participant in the Ardeatine massacre in Rome on March 24, 1944.
• Hans-Adolf Prützmann - Superior SS and Police Leader, and an SS Obergruppenführer.
• Friedrich Rainer
• Sigmund Rascher
• Walter Rauff
• Hermann Rauschning - Nazi leader in Danzig
• Walter Reder
• Wilhelm Rediess
• Fritz Reinhardt
• Adrian von Renteln
• Joachim von Ribbentrop - Foreign Minister, 1938-1945
• Ernst Röhm - founder and later chief of the Sturmabteilung
• Alfred Rosenberg - Nazi "philosopher"
• Erwin Rösener - SS Obergruppenführer, Higher SS and Police Leader, Commander SS Upper Division Alpenland (1941 - 1945)
• Ernst Rudin
• Bernhard Rust
• Fritz Sauckel - Gauleiter of Thuringia, General Plenipotentiary for Labour Deployment (1942-45)
• Paul Schäfer
• Gustav Adolf Scheel
• Walther Schellenberg
• Hans Schemm
• Wilhelm Schepmann
• Max Scheubner-Richter - senior most Nazi killed during the Beer Hall Putsch, ideologue and mentor to Alfred Rosenberg
• Baldur von Schirach - leader of Hitler Youth (1931-40), Gauleiter of Vienna (1940-45)
• Franz Schlegelberger
• Carl Schmitt
• Kurt Schmitt
• Paul Schmitthenner
• Gertrud Scholtz-Klink
• Julius Schreck
• Franz Xaver Schwarz
• Heinrich Schwarz
• Siegfried Seidl
• Franz Seldte
• Arthur Seyss-Inquart - deputy to Hans Frank in the General Government of occupied Poland (1939-40), Reichskommissar of the Netherlands (1940-44)
• Gustav Simon
• Franz Six
• Albert Speer - architect for Nazis' offices and residences, Party rallies and State buildings (1932-42), Minister of Armaments and War Production (1942-45)
• Franz Stangl
• Johannes Stark
• Otto Steinbrinck
• Felix Steiner
• Gregor Strasser
• Otto Strasser
• Julius Streicher - founder and editor of anti-semitic Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer (1923-1945), Gauleiter of Franconia (1929-40)
• Jürgen Stroop
• Wilhelm Stuckart
• Otto von Stülpnagel
• Friedrich Syrup
• Josef Terboven
• Otto Georg Thierack
• Fritz Todt
• Adolf von Trotha
• Hans von Tschammer und Osten
• Xavier Vallat
• Otto Wagener
• Adolf Wagner
• Gerhard Wagner
• Josef Wagner
• Robert Heinrich Wagner
• Wilhelm Weiß
• Horst Wessel
• Karl Maria Wiligut
• Max Winkler
• Christian Wirth
• Hermann Wirth
• Eduard Wirths
• Karl Wolff
• Adolf Ziegler
• Franz Ziereis
OR HOW ABOUT JUST JOSEPH STALIN - - - - - ENJOY YOUR NEW REALITY FOLKS, YOU WORKED HARD FOR IT, AND SOON YOU WILL HAVE YOUR UTOPIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Written by
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The Internet is free. Free from government control. Chaos? Perhaps a bit of everything that freedom brings, both good and bad. Here one can find truths that the "powers that be" (who have a disproportionate influence in both government and the private sector) would do its best to keep from coming forth in public AND also lies, distortions and mean-spirited attacks ("attacks" in typed words online mind you). While I am all for government protecting us from foreign invasion, and local government having police to keep order, I am against government involvement in the internet in any way shape or fashion. It is "the last frontier" where freedom - with all that entails - exists. We are NOT in physical danger from the internet, so why should we need "the calvary" to ride to the rescue? Besides, with the internet being unregulated government agencies can see exactly who the "nutcases" are and investigate them further if need be. Written by kpf
on 11/1/2009
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I believe that it's going to be necessary to enact some form of federal legislation to protect people from online hatred, defamation, slander and general harassment. Let me give you all a scenario. First, a group of "vigilantes" from California begin a campaign against, say, a political activist, or social activist, or religious activist from Boston, Mass. Massachusetts has no Jurisdiction in California, so the "vigilantes" are free to do whatever they want, say whatever they, etc... There are numerous websites, disguised as "social" groups that target specific individuals and post false and misleading information about them. It may be their intentions to cause the "victim" to be persecuted, or discriminated against, or worse, harmed or murdered. Freedom of speech must be protected and preserved, but when it is used "with intent" to cause harm to another person or group of people, regardless of who those people may be, well, I think there's something wrong with that. You all may be surprised with exactly "what's" going on with so called social websites, and even activism websites, around our Nation. There's quite a few people in need of psychiatric help. lol. And they're running professional websites.
Just an opinion.
Walt. Written by Walt
on 10/31/2009
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Lori Drew is a psychopath. That part is clear.
But more disturbing than that are the actions of authorities: If it had been an adult MALE that "carried on" in a sexually explicit way with a 13 year old girl, even if it WERE for the purposes of revenge for his teen daughter, he'd be locked up as a pedophile.
Second, there are al-READY laws on the books that cover this type of harassment. For chrissake: just implement them!
What is particularly chilling to me, is that Lori Drew knew that the victim was known to be suicidal in the past. That means that her statement to her that the "world would be better off without you" or whatever it was... is even MORE chilling: it means she was TRYING to steer this girl to suicide. It means she had a desire to push it in that direction, and did so.
Reminds me of Charles Manson. He never "technically" put his own hands upon his victims either, but he "made it happen" by manipulating people, I mean that's the premise upon which he was convicted: that he had INCITED it.
Same thing here. Lori Drew incited this suicide and should be just as responsible as Manson was when he incited those murders---and she should also be treated just like any other adult who engages in online relationships of a sexual nature with under-aged children. Written by Hypatia
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